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We need to get a Senator to introduce this bill in the US Senate and a Representative to introduce a similar bill in the US House.  These people will become American hero's.. 


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A Fellow American

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Congressional Reform Act of 2010


1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.

A. Two Six year Senate terms
B. Six Two year House terms
C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms

        Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 



2.  No Tenure / No Pension:

    A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office. 

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 



3.  Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately.  All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 



4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 



5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.  Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned  citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 




6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 

 



7. Congress must equally abide to all laws they impose on the American people.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.


 



8.. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective 1/1/11 . 

    The American people did not make this contract with congressmen, congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

    Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned  citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

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I can get on board with that Woods. However, congress no longer votes themselves pay raises each year. They got tired of looking cheap in the eyes of the nation voting themselves raises while the masses struggled, so like all weasels, they passed law automatically giving themselves raises and cost of living increases each year without a vote each year. That's why you hardly ever hear about it anymore.

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You share my passion for this country and politics, Woods. But, this will never see the light of day. The power that these scumbags wield is way too intoxicating. Unfortunately, with the current situation we are in, it is no longer a Govt of the people, by the people, for the people. It is not just the current class, this has been in the works for a long, long time. Take the current situation with healthcare reform. Overwhelmingly, the American public is against this monstrosity. Congress, under its founding principles, is supposed to listen to the public. The public have spoken against this trash. Congress is doing everything they can to pass this whether it be by the rules or not. This is way too large and important to try to ram this thing through in its current form in such short of time. Yet, they are going against the will of the poeple. Congress is overrun with self-serving egomaniacs who wouldn't know how to function in the mainstream of public life.

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Last poll I've seen shown a 53% majority for health reform.

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Yup.  They just don't like some of the parts in this one.  They don't want to be forced to take the bad just to get the good, and they don't want things enacted before anyone gets to know what's in there.

But don't worry.  Nancy says we can see what's in the mystery box after it's already law. 

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Last poll I've seen shown a 53% majority for health reform.

Really?

I guess it helps to be extremely vague like that, Tibs, because I see one that's 81% for reform, but only 22% for the OdumbaCare bill.

I'm with them--I think some sort of reform might be good--as in allowing insurance across state lines and getting rid of the trial lawyers' ability to screw it all up--but keeping our current form mostly intact.

JMHSO

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http://www.northjersey.com/news/health/031110_NJ_poll_Health_reform_yes_current_proposal_no.html

N.J. poll: Health reform yes, current proposal no
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NEW BRUNSWICK — Most New Jerseyans say the nation's health care system needs to be reformed, but a new poll finds they've soured on the proposal now before Congress.

The Rutgers-Eagleton Poll released Thursday finds 81 percent of respondents wanting changes to the health care system, while 17 percent believe the current system works well enough.

But only 22 percent say Congress should pass the current reform proposals, while 68 percent want lawmakers to start over.

The telephone poll of 953 New Jersey adults was conducted from Feb. 19-22 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

NEW BRUNSWICK — Most New Jerseyans say the nation's health care system needs to be reformed, but a new poll finds they've soured on the proposal now before Congress.

The Rutgers-Eagleton Poll released Thursday finds 81 percent of respondents wanting changes to the health care system, while 17 percent believe the current system works well enough.

But only 22 percent say Congress should pass the current reform proposals, while 68 percent want lawmakers to start over.

The telephone poll of 953 New Jersey adults was conducted from Feb. 19-22 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

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Really 22% ? Bet you believe the government will have death panels too huh? 



In U.S., 45% Favor, 48% Oppose Obama Healthcare Plan

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126521/Favor-Oppose-Obama-Healthcare-Plan.aspx

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Really 22% ? Bet you believe the government will have death panels too huh? 



In U.S., 45% Favor, 48% Oppose Obama Healthcare Plan

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126521/Favor-Oppose-Obama-Healthcare-Plan.aspx

53 is quite a ways even from 45, let alone 22. But at least you can cover your ass and say that it was health care reform in general you were talking about in the first place.

According to Gallup,

The high point in public support was 51% in October.

So I guess you might have been close if you were saying this a few months ago...

Wanna take a gander at Rasmussen?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% favor the plan while 53% are opposed. These figures include just 20% who Strongly Favor the plan and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.

The difference between Gallup and Rasmussen is that Gallup calls everyone, while Rasmussen polls likely voters. Rasmussen has generally gotten it right in every election, while Gallup's not had quite the track record that Rasmussen has displayed.

Or how about the Washington Post?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/18/AR2010011803450.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 44 percent of Americans support the proposed changes in the health-care system being debated in Congress, while 51 percent oppose them. Opposition is more intense than support, with 39 percent saying they strongly oppose the legislation and 22 percent saying they strongly favor it.

Strong support vs strong opposition IMO is the telling point. That's what will hit the politicians in the face--the folks who have strong enough feelings on the matter to voice their opinions.

And a Rasmussen poll released last week shows 55% say Congress needs to start over and do a new bill instead.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/55_say_congress_should_start_over_on_health_care

But I think this is the one you're looking for--it lists all of the polls for this week on the subject lined up together. None of them have shown "for" being ahead of "against."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan
Polling Data
Poll   Date   Sample   For/Favor    Against/Oppose    Spread
RCP Average   2/13 - 3/8   --   41.3   48.9   Against/Oppose +7.6
Associated Press/GfK   3/3 - 3/8   1002 A   41   43   Against/Oppose +2
Rasmussen Reports   3/5 - 3/6   1000 LV   42   53   Against/Oppose +11
Gallup   3/4 - 3/7   1014 A   45   48   Against/Oppose +3
Ipsos/McClatchy   2/26 - 2/28   1076 A   41   47   Against/Oppose +6
USA Today/Gallup   2/23 - 2/23   1009 A   42   49   Against/Oppose +7
POS (R)   2/17 - 2/18   900 RV   40   52   Against/Oppose +12
Newsweek   2/17 - 2/18   1009 A   40   49   Against/Oppose +9
PPP (D)   2/13 - 2/15   743 RV   39   50   Against/Oppose +11

You might want to pay close attention to PPP, which is a Dem poll.

Enjoy. 

---Jeff

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Really 22% ? Bet you believe the government will have death panels too huh?  

BTW, boards to decide on coverage in life-or-death situations are in the current bill.

You're not gonna' like it. Doctors don't look too kindly on illicit drug users.

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Insurance cartels now decide our fate, and in my original post I said the last time I looked, which was yes, a few months ago. It's not something I feel the need to keep up on given the fact this current bill is a sellout to special interest and the insurance cartel. 51 and 53 % are a lot closer than the 22% you tried to feed the people.

The fact remains

45,000 people die every year due to no insurance.

You can and will be kicked off your insurance if you get ill.

You will be denied insurance if you have a pre existing condition.

Double digit rate increases yearly.

Projected cost of insurance by 2017, $24,000 a year.

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I'm guessing this is these are the poll results that Tibs was referencing, since I saw this article the same day that he said that he saw 53% for:

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/03/11/health-insurance-premiums-soar-as-new-polls-show-americans-want-reform/

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Didn't see that one Brick, but a similar one. Unless we can reign in the rising cost, it will ruin this country and only the rich will be able to afford it.

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Insurance cartels now decide our fate, and in my original post I said the last time I looked, which was yes, a few months ago. It's not something I feel the need to keep up on given the fact this current bill is a sellout to special interest and the insurance cartel. 51 and 53 % are a lot closer than the 22% you tried to feed the people.

22% that *I* "tried to feed the people"?

Dude. Get over yourself. I posted a poll result. It was labeled as being a NJ poll. *That* is the difference. In NJ, it's accurate, and more importantly, it's up to date. That was the one that *I* happened upon.

And your 53% is nowhere close to what is accurate *now.* Go back and look--it's the difference between being slightly in favor and way out of favor with the public.

BTW, this current bill is a sellout to the statists, period. We can do a hell of a lot better just by opening the state lines to competitive insurance. There's no need for the gummint to be our insurer unless you *want* VA health coverage for everyone but the privileged few in the Congress. Go ask a vet and ask if they're happy with the VA.


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I'm guessing this is these are the poll results that Tibs was referencing, since I saw this article the same day that he said that he saw 53% for:

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/03/11/health-insurance-premiums-soar-as-new-polls-show-americans-want-reform/

Interesting. Thanks for the post, Brick.

I do notice that it's supported by the unions--not exactly what I'd call unbiased, but to each his own, I guess...

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Insurance cartels now decide our fate, and in my original post I said the last time I looked, which was yes, a few months ago. It's not something I feel the need to keep up on given the fact this current bill is a sellout to special interest and the insurance cartel. 51 and 53 % are a lot closer than the 22% you tried to feed the people.

22% that *I* "tried to feed the people"?

Dude. Get over yourself. I posted a poll result. It was labeled as being a NJ poll. *That* is the difference. In NJ, it's accurate, and more importantly, it's up to date. That was the one that *I* happened upon.

And your 53% is nowhere close to what is accurate *now.* Go back and look--it's the difference between being slightly in favor and way out of favor with the public.

BTW, this current bill is a sellout to the statists, period. We can do a hell of a lot better just by opening the state lines to competitive insurance. There's no need for the gummint to be our insurer unless you *want* VA health coverage for everyone but the privileged few in the Congress. Go ask a vet and ask if they're happy with the VA.


---Jeff

So you posted a regional poll as opposed to a national poll. How crafty.