Remember that Kiffin's defensive coordinator was Rob Ryan, who'd already been here a few years. They didn't get along, and part of what alienated Kiffin from Al was Kiffin wanting to replace Rob with his father (longtime NFL defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin). Supposedly, Kiffin fired Rob, Rob went to Al to thank him for the opportunity and say Goodbye, and Al basically said "He doesn't have the power to fire you. Get back to work." Kiffin then charged into Al's office demanding to fire Ryan, and Al's response was to type up a quarter-page resignation letter (specifically saying the Raiders didn't owe him the balance of his contract but wouldn't block his employment anywhere else) and hand it to Kiffin to sign. Kiffin refused, but spent 2008 trying to get himself fired (so he'd be paid the rest of his contract), while Al just wanted him to quit (so he wouldn't have to pay). I remember Jerry McDonald commenting that both men had acted so childishly that one wished neither of them would get his way. Yea, and there are questions about the validity of this, since the Raiders denied this and Kiffin has refused to comment on it. I think there is more than a nugget of truth here but I think we will die never knowing the truth completely. A lot of stuff ends up being kept under wraps about those final years of Davis's life

And they didn’t even have a real O coord. But McDaniels can’t be a bad coordinator if he did that with a rookie When you look at the level of roster turnover from the last Gruden year to at the end of this last preseason it is pretty staggering. It is almost like the Seattle turnover when Carroll took over. We purged the team. You are gonna take a hit when you do that level of personnel changes. Now the replacements? There are suspect changes and that should be the questions we are asking.

FRIDAY, DEC 23, 2022:

:rofl: BUSTED!

You can't gaslight me hoe ass boy! Shut the fuck up! It's not my fault you lied. Once you go down that path, every word that comes out of that sewer you call a mouth is suspect.

Damn it sucks to be you. I will have a chicken taco supreme and make sure I get two packets of fire hot sauce. Do not forget my napkins, last time you forgot.

It is all history now. The Head Turnip in Charge did what he did and we all payed the price. It is not even worth speculating on now. Mark made the next two coaching hires. There is no guessing what Reggie would have done. Here is how bad it is in Raiderland. I was at the Nashville draft. I was on the stage for the first round. Every team got swag bags from their organizations out to the fans on the stage. I saw guys getting all kinds of cool stuff. Really nice team gear and shit. I got a generic Raider shirt and toothpaste and a toothbrush, a few bits of candy that looked like he raided the bottom of the halloween bag and that was about it. A fucking toothbrush? Other fans were pulling out logo balls and polo's and shit and I got a toothbrush. Who does that? Oh right, the Turnip. Everything flows from the top down. We suck as an organization because the owner sucks.

Attyla- you got accused of bring huge fans of Ellis too? Seems someone can’t keep his lies straight. yea, I am just amazed he keeps doubling down. Liars are like that. But kicking his ass in front of people would be so fun. I find it funny he thinks my age matters when it comes to kicking his ass. I box regularly. My power punch is stellar and my overhand cross has put a number of guys on the mat. I have a freakish reach for my size. So some guy who thinks he can beat up someone who trains regularly is fucking funny as hell. I would let him last a few minutes just to have fun, but bare knuckled fighting? Forget about it. And I am a lefty which poses problems for righties all the time. We are used to fighting righties while they are never used to fighting lefties. I would fuck his ass up.

But he is an internet liar so we can assume he would say he would show up and then pull a casper on me.

We could have had Tom Brady, but Gruden stuck with his next door neighbor. I am not even worried about that anymore. I do agree that his personnel decisions were often horrible. But to suggest he would come back to the NFL and all the sudden he could tear a new asshole to the NFL just to get back at the commish is pretty farfetched to say the least. That argument suggests a person who was content to just do enough to keep their job. But all the sudden he has a desire to really coach to his max abilities. Who wants a clown like that anywhere near a team. I want the guy who has a desire to win at all costs. But, I do believe Gruden wanted to win at all costs but his coaching abilities coupled with god awful personnel decisions limited him, and that also happened when he got to make the personnel decisions in Tampa. When he was in Oakland, Davis was still pretty sharp and we all know he made most of the personnel decisions there. I think Gruden gets a bit of credit for Gannon but I do even buy that completely knowing what we know about Davis's desire to control things.

So, yea, no. If it takes extra motivation for Jon to coach, then Jon is not worth having as a coach. If he could have coached like that to begin with, then why did he not?

Why would we want to make the guy eat crow? He posted an optimistic view of the team. While I am not an optimist by nature, I have no problem with the view. So what if he is wrong, way too many people around here are hell bent on being right at all cost.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/383081696_693860609451633_2405773091614969793_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5614bc&_nc_ohc=k-1dt7m2NNsAX_rzvMg&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=00_AfDHa04Xzmd6fA09zyE6kntQBii8JS8BA_DTKuZlQSrXaw&oe=65168CA8

fans are traveling to games more and more often. Literally every venue I have visited no matter what the sport is, the visiting fans have increased quite a bit. Couple that with America's sandbox who the heathens love to visit (I kid of course) and a bad team? Magnet! Win and you fix a lot of that, you will never have a complete blackout but it can improve.

teams do not tank 4 games a year...this is a purely stupid notion.

Ivanavich wrote Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:49 pm:I came here to post in the "premature" official game day thread.

WTF? Now I gotta wait.

so don't post. that would be nice.

Lobo wrote Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:34 pm:Thanks! They just put a 30 year old liver in a 70 year old man so I should get plenty of miles out of it!

Take your anti rejection meds religiously and you should get 15 years out of that liver!!!

Dark Horse wrote Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:06 pm:Everyone should, the Bills are simply much better than us.

should we feel worse because the Broncos got beat down vs Miami and we barely beat the Broncos?

I say yes

Dark Horse wrote Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:21 pm:The rumors of Josh Allen's demise were greatly exaggerated, especially here.

same post, different thread. How many times does it take you to make a point?

The Raiders and the Steelers have played each other 31 times with the Raiders holding a slim edge with 17 wins. 6 of those games were in the post season. The current odds have it like this:

Raiders -2.5 (I agree it is too close to call)
Over Under 43 (take the under)

Of course the most famous match up was the AFC Championship game in 1972 also known as the Immaculate Reception game. Debate over this game has raged on for the decades since the Steelers won the controversial game. That game may very well have been the first to go to booth review, but that has also been debated for years. The list of notable players from this storied history is too long to even attempt. Let's just be honest, neither team was sending Christmas cards to each other.

The menu today will be interesting. A friend of mine gifted the wife and I some excellent elk burgers so that is happening. Still deciding what to pair it up with, but pretty sure there will be very little going on the burgers themselves. Some salt and pepper might be just what the doctor ordered. The drink of choice tonight will be The Pope's Smoke 2021 (a Grenache wine)

So sit back ladies, as your Raiders host the Steelers in prime time on Sunday night football.

Enjoy the game

my eyes hurt now

Prime cometh before the fall?

KillerRaider30 wrote Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:47 pm:I'm 0-5 going to see the Raiders. Baltimore Jets x2 Giants x2.
Headed to Miami this year because the same 2 tickets are $1100 less.

I have a pretty good record seeing the team recently. In recently, I mean the last 5 or so years. I had the worst luck for a long time

Oaktownonly wrote Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:14 pm:"I know you are but what am I?"

Sorry, couldn't resist.

the fucker who goes rubber and glue needs to be banned.

Come on that was funny Raider forum, be a fan of the roster we got. If not, there are other things you can do on Sunday. Seriously, he is gone, you want to follow him, you know where to go. If not, be a fan of the Raiders. There is a thread elsewhere where you can pine for him.

I am not trying to be a dick, but I am getting tired of guys who trash him and guys who pine for him or take shots at the team for not retaining him. Check yourself and make the call, I am good either way.

That was Madden’s last season wasn’t it? Give me the ‘76 season. If taken I’ll take 83-84. it was his last year. We won 9 games. Tatum paralyzed Stingley. Stabler had one of his worst seasons. But in the midst of all that, we did have a named game as the Holy Roller happened. Madden retired at the end of the season. At the time it was thought he had a fear of flying. Over time the understanding was that it was claustrophobia instead.

At the end of the season, Madden told Davis he was done. It was a time when the announcements were not really done frequently. Ted Hendricks found out hearing it on the radio. He called the Madden house and Mrs Madden answered, told him to come over if he wished. Ted wanted to bring a gift but she said it was just fine since others were also there. Ted, being Ted, could not let that stand. On his drive over, he saw the perfect gift. Broke out a saw in his truck and cut down a stop sign. It remained in the Madden backyard where it was fully mounted in the ground. As far as I know, it is still there to this day.

December23 1972 game for me and a DeLoren for me. I bet I could find Franco and pull a Tonya Harding on him.

Thanks in advance, I assume you take paypal?

Lance Kiffin. Here me out, Kiffin remains the biggest mystery of a coach we have ever had. He was brought in to interview for the OC position only to impress the old man over Sark. He fought the old man on drafting Russell only to lose. He is the only coach ever fired using an overhead projector in what can only be described as the most painfully cringe pressers of all time. To appease the old man we must reverse these memories and the only way is to bring in a successful Kiffin and let him lead us to the dance. When that happens, the sins of our forefathers will be forgiven and the old man can get out of purgatory and ascend to his rightful place at the head of the table in Valhalla where he will gather with his most trusted Raiders as they rule the afterworld.

The End

GoodTimeCharlie wrote Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:02 am:Yeah…we all married virgins.

Some of us did

KillerRaider30 wrote Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:05 pm:Mr Ivanavich wins 1st prise, 2nd prize and all other prizes. You go home empty handed. Its Chandler Jones

Fixed for accuracy.

Ivanavich wrote Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:36 pm:Purdy is not a good QB.

49ers used Garoppolo's starter salary (Raiders paid it) to pay Bosa. Garoppolo is better than Purdy.

310 yards and 2 TD's say otherwise. Stick to tweets Ivan "Chandler" Jones

you do not know one thing about What McDaniels thinks about anything

Thanks for playing, but you do not win any of the consolation prizes.

Not expecting much of a game. Hopefully the Giants can keep it close. Probably turning this one off sooner than later Yea, not invested in the outcome. I did not grow up in the bay area so never had the hate some fans have for the 9ers. Giants only interested me when they beat the Bills back in the day because we had been trashed by them. So my level of care is just that it might be a good game? But, there is the makings for lemon drops so I will be OK either way.

Disparaging your team and your owner does not mean you have a mental illness. Maybe he's just a overpaid jerk who's not the player he once was. Certainly wouldn't be the first we've seen. The available evidence suggests otherwise. They could not use that designation willy nilly. Couple his social media meltdown with the team sending over a crisis team and then designating his status as it is now does, in fact, suggest very strongly that the team believes he had an event.