I didn't hate the man, I didn't love the man, I supported him, because he wore the uniform. I don't wish bad luck on him, and I don't wish good luck to him, say your peace and be gone already. Fairly neutral here also.

If nothing else, he was better than Jay Schroeder. We had that guy for 5 years and he just had so many wildly inaccurate passes.

How about the Eagles and Bengals? I'd want to be in their shoes. The Eagles are in a good spot, Hurts will not have the longevity to ask for 40 plus. If they get him for 25-30 and it was not a contract year 'surprising' improvement that only lasts one year, that could work.

I would love to be in the Bengals shoes right now, not in four years though. Burrows looks to be 55+ if these ridiculous contracts keep up. Burrows is flat out elite also, but I hated Rodgers contract when he was elite too.

Tom playing for half or even a third of his value won the Patriots SuperBowls. Burrow playing for 25-30 would do the same imo, but that kid is getting team destroying money soon. I don't blame him one bit either, I just don't think a team can handle a 20 percent or more of the cap QB and keep the top 10 rank on both sides of the ball.

It has killed tons of teams so far with Rodgers, Dak, Wilson, and Cousins. Yes, Stafford made a good amount (Sub 30 million) but all of their cheap contracts fell off and so did the Rams, hard.

Just my opinion but we will look back at these contracts for even the elite guys and once the pay kicks in, we will see what a mistake that was.

* I am often incorrect, but this theory has born fruit so far. As a Raiders fan, I still take Burrows but the market is just ridiculous right now.

the similarities between Dak and Derek are staggering. The only difference is that Dallas actually populated a good roster and Dak screwed it up while Vegas gave Derek crap on defense and yet he found a way to screw that up. My opinion.

35-40 million dollar QBs ain't it.

I can't wait for the fall of the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, and the Bengals also because 45-50 million dollar QBs are no better.

We are talking the difference of 3-4 10 million dollar starters, that is the difference of fielding a superstar team like the Rams or just fielding 4 JAGs. It is a hell of a hole to dig out from and only consistently drafting well above average can keep those hopes alive. Good luck on that for any GM as just one average draft and a free agent miss or two closes windows quickly.

We know teams need a top 10 offense and defense and putting 20 plus percent into one guy kills that hope. The Bills are already feeling the noose tighten with Allen so close to the big paydays.

I am betting against the grain because those are elite QBs, but we had large QB deals in Green Bay, Seattle (Denver now), MInnesota, and Dallas all signed two-ish years ago that are now coming due. Does anyone want to be in their shoes?

Because none of the guys we seem to have in play will be ready to throw out there. Levis needs a good year and Richardson may well need several. My best case is they love a rookie as a week 10 starter, I don't know if they do and I believe those two are considered too raw.

I would give up the capital needed including a possible player trade to get to one if they see 'the guy'.

We have to do that this year or next imo.

What's he gonna do for our defense though? CB helps us a lot more than LB IMO. I would take a top tier LB over any position if it came down to need. We need at least two of the best there.

The middle of our field was like the stretch between WWII trenches, no man's land. Kelce ate us alive in particular.

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/325820439_902139400779778_747757576714440828_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=7sMKNoPlnJwAX_ufUGz&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfAJ05W948jRbUd2orO49MD1YiDx22ZVFyW9xB24sNOJWg&oe=63CCB6AA

if it was not on my feed I would not know he said that...his family, lol It's an absolute disgraceful embarrassment this wimp donned the silver and black. February can't get here quick enough. Like accepting some Accountability is a gift from God he chooses to bestow upon the Raiders.

Then you add in that he still dropped the 'Franchises are hard to carry' line...

Oh, and the 'My teammates aren't working as hard as I am' tear filled press conference...

Quality Dude right there.

A top 15-20 QB in this league is pretty shitty. 1-5 and 6-10 are practically separated by an ocean. Carr is Andy Dalton. 15-20 is pretty fair. I think you could put him at 16-18 ranked, in the regular season . The issue above and beyond even what you mention though is that there are usually 8 rookie contract guys taking spots below Derek. Really he is only better than maybe 8 veteran QBs and a good number of those are bridge QBs.

At 33-40 million that cost is ridiculous.

It has been discussed to death, but his flaws are actually the worst ones. Rookies and vets below him are often faster learning a system, better at post snap reads, or they play better the higher the stakes.

With Carr being a late season choker, this makes his 16-18 ranking based on stats only. There are 25 QBs or more I would rather have in January in the cold. I have seen enough from Stidham to 1000% guarantee I would rather have him in an actual playoff game.

People badmouth Brady's last game, but he put up an 84 passer rating on a jailbreak offensive line. Carr could not even get a 70 passer rating against a low pressure, three sacks allowed Bengals team in his playoff game.

Carr the player won't change, I take Stidham over Carr even if Carr only cost 10 million.

I did not want Carr here last year, but I understood it. We have multiple offensive stars in their prime and someone has to get the ball to them. I felt it had a very narrow shot at doing something if everything went perfect.

I don't believe Brady will cost more than 20 if he is trophy hunting, so we still save on 13 in cap. Brady can get the ball to our guys far better than the last guy even at 46. With that, we can go defense almost the entire draft. It is not even a window in reality without a Cinderella season and the best draft we ever had, but it is our best shot with these guys all on contract for two more years.

I would prefer Stidham and a top 3 rookie, but whatever decision they make here I can understand it. We have to wait until there is a rookie they love and this might not be the year.

Really happy to see stroud declaring, thanks for the update.

Not his personal life. His alternate perfessonal life. His church publishes them on line so they are not private. He works part time as a pastor. So not personal.

I have no problem with what he does outside of the game, nor do I really care about his preaching. I believe it was put out there to see if he made a comment about the Raiders. I did not listen so I do not know if he did or not. I do not know if it was motivated by hate or not, but I can see why it was put out there.

But yea, I do not think there was a motivation of jealousy. That may be a projection. Derek literally said "Franchises are hard to carry" in that sermon. I did not listen or look for it, it was pointed out and accurate.

Poor Derek.

He is going to a shitty team unless he totally flops like Leinart. And then he loses a ton of mo ney. Odds are right above zero that he doesn't come out this year. Yeah, I looked into it more and those are the starting rookie costs as the cap hit raises. Burrows will make I believe 36 million so that is closer to 9 million a year.

Also, I don't believe the 7-10 million in college next year is accurate. It looks like he made 3.4 last year.
https://www.premierleagueheroes.com/top-5-highest-paid-college-football-players/#:~:text=Bryce%20Young%2C%20Alabama%20Crimson%20Tide,Trophy%20for%20his%20outstanding%20game.

It is a huge risk to regress also as you said. Herbert may have went 1 but was later pick 6.

I am with you, it would be odd then. Around 4 million is a lot different than the 7-10 that was quoted, and around 9 a year is a hell of a contract.

https://twitter.com/harryarnett/status/1614371542447816705?s=46&t=_pTjpsuj0D5tlP_fq6hhnA 7 to 10 million and another year of experience which will likely get him a larger second NFL contract. I also believe the Texans are a death sentence, as they are imo perhaps the worst managed team in the NFL.

I stand corrected, that is actually a very
shrewd decision.

I am 100% willing to put money on the fact that those 'Tape Don't Lie' hacks are done talking Raiders when this season is complete.

They were paid propaganda, and I guarantee Carr is exactly the type of spineless weasel to pay for that.

I look forward to their Jet's tape don't lie podcast next year 100% proving me right. Anyone can pay a couple of high school coaches to blow him in the media, Carr did that.

Raider727 wrote Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:41 am:Kick Rocks Already!

"Mark Davis and staff do not represent the Raiders I know." He says.

While the biggest pussy of a QB in the NFL screams 'Raiders' to this kid. He should watch some of the old Raiders like Alzado and Long - they were men playing a contact sport.

Don't lock the thread, don't ban the guy. That shit there is communism. Derek is a great dude. I do not personally know him but he's fighting for good causes. By most accounts he's doing some good things with his boat load of money, which not all folks do. That being said he's had 9 years of sloppy play. If he goes somewhere else and does well great, if not it's the same as here and he's still a good human being.

I recall watching a shit ass middling Texas Tech team going for it on 4th and 30 with a certain quarterback, watching at work while munching a righteous grilled chicken burrito. He converted and that happened about 4 times on various 4th downs after i watched the highlights later. I thought to myself, that dude has it. That guy is now running this division. Have to beat that, period. It's all Raiders, Derek shouldn't have left the team and acted like that. He knows it's business Com·mu·nism
noun

a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Not sure if you all have seen this, but there is a pseudoscience group called S2 Cognition that tests 'processing speed' along with multiple other cognitive traits. Purdy, Brees, and Burrows were very high on this chart.

I think it helps point to why these guys who are not the most physically gifted QBs still see a ton of success.

It could mean nothing also, but you might find it interesting. It will take a much larger sample size than 120 NFL QBs imo to make it Science due to so many other variables like physical traits and development, and I also assume a large variance in expectations to results, so it is a work in progress - just cool.

https://www.outkick.com/49ers-quarterback-brock-purdy-backs-up-his-test-results/

From the article:
"Brock Purdy has been a revelation that no one in the NFL could have predicted.

Except for maybe neuroscientist Brandon Ally, who saw it before Purdy was taken with the final pick of the 2022 NFL Draft … a pick referred to as irrelevant yet has saved the San Francisco 49ers season.

Ally is a PhD in neuropsychology and the vice president of S2 Cognition, a Nashville-based company that tests people in a variety of areas from law enforcement to military to sports. Since 2014, the company has tested roughly 20,000 athletes in nine different sports, including approximately 3,500 NFL players.

Among those are 120 quarterbacks. Among all of NFL players and specifically the quarterbacks, Purdy tested in the top 3 percent. His results rate with the likes of Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and, in a particularly important way, with Drew Brees."

Their Methodology:
https://www.s2cognition.com/post/cognitive-skills-separate-top-nfl-qbs
https://www.s2cognition.com/post/your-blueprint-to-understanding-the-best-quarterbacks-part-2

Do people really think there is a chance in Hell Brady to the Raiders actually works? :unamused: I really want a defensive player at 7 man.

Just a guess as always, but with Brady I would expect a top 5 offense with two offensive linemen and Jacobs.

We would have to knock it out of the park in FA and the draft, requiring some starters in the 5th-7th rounds and hitting in rounds 1-4.

We have at least 10 positions to improve to the level that our backup should be better than the current starters.

In other words, probably not next year but I will never bet against Brady in the playoffs. I think we win 10 and make the playoffs next year even missing on high picks and some free agents (Which we will). This is 100% assuming Tom plays at around 20 only, which I have no idea about.

I am with HesterLayes, Brady or a week 10 starter top level rookie gives us the best shot of at least a playoff win next year, but to me a real shot at a title is slim to impossible. The defense did not show a huge improvement from week 1 to week 18 so throwing talent at it only takes us so far and that is not top 10.

Option three for me is a trade of 7 for a '24 first, '23 second, and a quality starter at a position of need locking in a big move up with two firsts next year. If I hate the QBs at the top and Brady says no, I would go with Brisset and Stidham next year and make it right by Adams by allowing a trade, with maybe two first round picks to make up for our deadcap, but without any complaints if he wanted it. There are QBs there.

I pretty much hate every other option at this point. Man, if they love AR though you won't hear me complain. We just need a guy worth four years of solid QB development.

https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/1612666630575910913

Just like '18, the guy ended around 18-20 in a new system. I hope we can get some picks for him, but we definitely did not have three more seasons to wait for him to figure it out.

I love Chuckers idea honestly to pick up some of his '23 tab to make a trade more appealing. I have to feel we can get a one at the right price if the Colt's rumors last year were true plus Carr keeps and earns his current contract which he would love. The Colts offer was for last year's single year contract at 19 million.

Our 7 and someone's 15ish pick is tempting if we need to move up or if we are reloading. It is worth us picking up 10 million of his 33 million '23 cap imo.

He has a seller's market at 23 imo.

I have to admit, I like the smoke that has us with one of the top two QBs. Brady is the only plan that makes spending draft capital on a rookie QB a mistake even if we have to move up, if he says he is coming for a championship then we should go all in as he has earned that imo.

I hope they fall in love with one though and use Stidham as a bridge. That is really best case for me.

I have heard enough to like the big two and I don't know if we have the time to develop anyone below that as most agree they need time. We need a game 10 starter level rookie or better to really make waves.

Screw it, swing for the fences.

HesterLayes wrote Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:12 pm:I do t want a Brissett type.
I want Tom or a rook.That’s it.

I really hope they see someone they like.

But as far as starters go on D,we have maybe 2-3 legit ones. It’s unreal. Tafur said 5-6 new starters next year.I say more than that.

I’m old and this may be the least talented group I’ve ever seen. The '18 squad was worse imo.

There was an 8 game stretch where this year's defense was top 12 in ppg allowed but that was also with healthy starters like Perryman and admittedly facing multiple bad offenses.

Our defensive starters need to become depth and way more than 5-6 of them like you said. We have put too many eggs in the offensive basket for years and now we pay the piper for that.

I don't believe we can change it in a year. We have lots of round 5-7 picks but those are throw away picks unless we get lucky. We have 65 million in cap but after signing contracts (Jacobs being a big one) and competing for players we can only expect 3 or 4 possible starters imo (Including QB).

Realistically we can hope to improve 6-7 positions team wide if they nail it and we need 8 or 9 at a minimum. Even best case imo, next year is another evaluation year with a possible Wildcard if things even go well.

If Brady is not coming, I think Stidham and Brisset works for a year. I don't see anyone else that moves the needle enough. Swing big in '24 at QB if we have to and redshirt him.

Stidham has a ceiling I would rather chase over the Jimmy G or Mayfield level moves.

Like others, all I can picture is that merry go round play, it reminds me of Rivers calling out our defense a couple of years ago.

We have a ton of work to do on defense. Acquiring depth being one of the most important.

McDaniels was not able to scheme open players even with Waller, Renfrow, and Adams.

Jacobs had his worst game of the year by far. 2.6 yards a carry and 17 carries alone was backbreaking.

I guzzled the Kool Aid thinking we could make something happen with these weapons, but I am still 100% behind this offseason. I still would rather go with Stidham than Carr, Garrapolo, or Tannehill.

We may have just lost the Brady opportunity, I don't believe the film will show many open players missed and that is on the scheme. Brady would not have won this game either and I think knowing this game is twice a year sours that move.

Just a hell of a day, but as I have always stated I would rather suck and pick up stars in the draft than go with 7-9 wins forever, with that record only depending on how many terrible teams/backup QBs we face each year under Derek.

We need a hell of an offseason and we won't have a contender next year even then imo, but I do think we improve our record and a non-fluke wildcard game works for a year two target imo.

We scored more than we did last year, we gave up less points than we did last year, and we finally moved on from the biggest late season choker in the NFL. I will take it.

haji81872 wrote Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:25 am:This pussy hasn't even won a game.

haji81872 wrote Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:27 am:Calling him a pussy and a cunt is so childish. Grow up.

Just lol. Cognitive dissonance ain't just a word in the dictionary...

Appreciate the answers, I knew there was a reason noone had brought it up.

We match up really strong on their defense, Jones is great but I am not impressed with their secondary or linebackers.

I have wanted a 50 burger all year and this could be it. They do not have the personnel to cover our weapons. Stidham going through progressions, anticipating the receiver, and being decisive is not something coaches can gameplan around. For the first time a coach has to gameplan around what this offense was supposed to be.

I think we keep it close even with our defense but either side I believe can put up 50.

Raiders 41
Chiefs 34

We put a stamp on this team as a premier QB destination imo.

Attyla wrote Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:53 am:you are still a rookie and cannot be judged until you have better weapons

I heard year ten is when posters put it all together. Even the great Walter Cronkite looked average his first 9 years, but year ten was the start of his HOF career.

Yup. He brute forced that stat As a percentage of games won divided by opportunities Derek was 6th ranked the last time I saw for active QBs (Mid '21). After so many close losses this year I almost guarantee he dropped some spots. Respectable but not the 'amazing record breaking super clutch stat' they kept trying to sell us.

Chucker called it out last year when Roethlisberger was the league leader in comebacks, it really is not an impressive stat.

Still trying to figure out how to spin this as a disastrous performance by Stidham. They made one and apparently the offense was 'unimpressive' from what another person willing to watch that crap said. Paid hacks if you ask me, David and Derek hired some PR.

Oh, not sure if the video has been linked but Gannon called him out.

https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1609999342256914433

Your opinion stinks. Here are the COLD HARD FACTS. Carr is mid tier, Stidham is Backup tier.

Carr vs Stidham
.444 winning pct .000 winning pct
64.6 cmp% 57.9 cmp%
35222 yds 707 yds
217 Tds 5 Tds
99 Int 6 Int
91.8 QB rating 72.6 QB rating

Best Game
513 yds, 4 Tds, 0 int, Win 365 yds, 3 TDs, 2 Int, Loss I have to go with Bo on this one. Derek is a known commodity with known flaws, but coaches and execs saw him as an 11-13 QB last year. Hell, Josh Dubow saw him as an 11-13 QB last year.

His average passer rating has jumped by 10 or more points from what I read in going from his first year to his second.

He should be below Garrapolo, but his lack of contact has also lead to a reliable starter (Not in talent, but in stepping in the field). That makes him a better target for being just an average QB away imo, and other than Brady likely the hottest FA QB next year.

I think he crashes and burns, but if a coach locks him in for 3 or more years, he is young enough to possibly get back to a 11-13 Ranked QB in year three. It just takes him that long to learn a system (He would also have to be in a contract year so he actually tries).

He will suck next year at his new team, I don't think he makes it to year two - but if they stick with him, you can get a heavily flawed where it matters QB who can 'make all the throws if the pocket is spotless'.

They will have to learn the hard way that his passer rating drops off after week 8 by 10 or more points every year and with every coach he had besides one year with Del Rio. The bigger the game, the bigger the collapse just like his sub 70 passer rating playoff game.

They will have to learn the hard way that he requires a top 3 offensive line.

They will have to learn the hard way that they better have at least two of the best WRs or TEs in the NFL also.

They will have to learn the hard way that if it is 37 or below, you may as well let the Janitor throw a few footballs in that game.

He is better and worth more than Stidham though - right now.

He is a known commodity, not one worth building around imo for this team that is laying a foundation. However, Stidham needs at least a half season and a 2:1 TD to int ratio before he becomes valuable as more than potential.

As far as potential though, if I had to choose sucking with dipshit Derek for three years as he stumbles learning the playbook or letting the man with all of the physical requirements, the heart, and the courage to win become our QB next year. It is a no brainer.

In regards to moving forward, Hondo has another article.

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/derek-carr-josh-mcdaniels-dave-ziegler-jarrett-stidham-las-vegas-raiders-mark-davis

I believe it is pretty positive overall, but it does sound like they are planning on bringing someone in still, which makes sense.

Stidham still gave me the best result I could have asked for from even a round 1 pick 1 rookie, and Mahommes only needed one game for Reid to know, hopefully game two shows more.