Re: The Essential Derek Carr thread
I’ve always found this argument curious. Why does he deserve a fresh shot outside of Gruden?
If your statement was “it’s hard to judge how Mayock has done because of Gruden”, I’d agree. No doubt Gruden was a force.
Where I get lost is the idea that because it’s hard to judge Mayock’s performance, the natural move is to give him a chance to steer the ship and see how he does. Why? Because he found some good late round picks? I’m not sure what he’s done to warrant automatic retention, so to me that logic seems broken.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not necessarily calling for Mayock’s head either. As I acknowledged, it’s hard to tell how good of a job he’s done so if we decided to roll with him I wouldn’t be angry. But if we don’t end up keeping the current staff together, does it make sense for Mayock to hire a coach? Or should we try to hire a hot commodity head coach, one who might want a say in who is running the front office? If we have an opportunity to hire a coach like that, I wouldn’t want Mayock to be the reason a top candidate wouldn’t come here.
All of this is to say that I think Mayock’s job is largely tied to the success of this team. If we make it to the playoffs, my guess is Mark is going to try to keep as much continuity as he can. That bodes well for Mayock. If we don’t make the playoffs, things won’t be feeling as good in Henderson, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Mark rips the bandaid clean off and tries again Can't we safely say that, even if we miss the playoffs, the team is better this year than last year? I guess maybe not safely, since there's still a lot of games to play, but we haven't looked as good as this team looks really since the year we made the Super Bowl 20 years ago. The defense, for the first time since that stretch, is actually legitimate middle of the pack worthy. The offense is top half of the league.
We can look at the draft and say Mayock has done poorly there, with 2020 being as bad as it was, but: 1) Gruden had something to do with that and 2) the team is better despite that. And it's Mayock's job to make the team, overall, better, not just make splashy draft picks that may or may not have been Gruden.
I guess the question is, after 20 years of futility, we see a bit of an upward trend that really started when Mayock joined . . . what is the argument to get rid of him?
If your statement was “it’s hard to judge how Mayock has done because of Gruden”, I’d agree. No doubt Gruden was a force.
Where I get lost is the idea that because it’s hard to judge Mayock’s performance, the natural move is to give him a chance to steer the ship and see how he does. Why? Because he found some good late round picks? I’m not sure what he’s done to warrant automatic retention, so to me that logic seems broken.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not necessarily calling for Mayock’s head either. As I acknowledged, it’s hard to tell how good of a job he’s done so if we decided to roll with him I wouldn’t be angry. But if we don’t end up keeping the current staff together, does it make sense for Mayock to hire a coach? Or should we try to hire a hot commodity head coach, one who might want a say in who is running the front office? If we have an opportunity to hire a coach like that, I wouldn’t want Mayock to be the reason a top candidate wouldn’t come here.
All of this is to say that I think Mayock’s job is largely tied to the success of this team. If we make it to the playoffs, my guess is Mark is going to try to keep as much continuity as he can. That bodes well for Mayock. If we don’t make the playoffs, things won’t be feeling as good in Henderson, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Mark rips the bandaid clean off and tries again Can't we safely say that, even if we miss the playoffs, the team is better this year than last year? I guess maybe not safely, since there's still a lot of games to play, but we haven't looked as good as this team looks really since the year we made the Super Bowl 20 years ago. The defense, for the first time since that stretch, is actually legitimate middle of the pack worthy. The offense is top half of the league.
We can look at the draft and say Mayock has done poorly there, with 2020 being as bad as it was, but: 1) Gruden had something to do with that and 2) the team is better despite that. And it's Mayock's job to make the team, overall, better, not just make splashy draft picks that may or may not have been Gruden.
I guess the question is, after 20 years of futility, we see a bit of an upward trend that really started when Mayock joined . . . what is the argument to get rid of him?
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