If this is a fantasy thread about Deshaun Watson being a Raider, I don't mind him being a Raider. I rather have Josh Allen or Russell Wilson because they are more clutch imo. All of them have a the same chance of being a Raider which is zero. I am not buying Derek Carr will get paid more than Watson (cap hit) in five years. No and I mean no team is going to pay Derek Carr more than $40 million a season. I tried to explain it, but some people keep quoting the $40 million number.

Watson is more than a $40 million cap hit in some years if he stays with the Texans.

If Watson leaves the Texans then part of that cap hit stays with the Texans as dead money so it doesn't hit his new team's cap.

Watson's cap hits to the team that trades for him are:

2021 $10.54 million
2022 $35
2023 $37
2024 $32
2025 $32

So the first two seasons average less than $23 million, more than Carr, but not much more in the world of ridiculous QB money.

The following three seasons average just under $34 million and, unless Carr regresses from his 2020 form this season then he's not going to be signing for less than that. I guess we will get a "bargain" extension if he plays poorly but nobody wants that. Dak got offers from the Cowboys higher than that over a year ago, Jared Goff got over $33 million - Carr won't be the highest paid QB in the game again, but he'll get a lot of money, unless he sucks.

This is a good example of why, when trading for any player, it's not the cap hit to his current team that matters because it can be significantly different.

I do agree though, that trading for Watson is a fantasy I just wanted to describe how the cap hit is sometimes misrepresented. It's the trade compensation that would make the deal too costly, not the contract.

Plunkett 0 pro bowls and 2 SB rings - HOF him

andreas9109 wrote Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:02 am:Why not trade DC to the Colts. Let’s roll with Mariota!

Because we aren't idiots

One thing that I found interesting was that in this past week of playoff games, the AFC featured a bunch of young guns at QB: Mahommes, Allen, Mayfield and Jackson; while the NFC featured some truly old guns: Brady, Brees and Rogers. It was an interesting contrast at QB watching the AFC games vs the NFC games.

The AFC featured some young creative playmakers while the NFC featured some historically accomplished finesse players ...though some of them on their last legs. Though the Raiders are not playing, I am not going to lie, I did find the last week of football entertaining. And am looking forward to seeing which young gun will surface to face off against the last standing old vet. Brady vs Rogers could definitely turn into an incredible battle of wits and savvy while the young guns of Mahommes and Allen could be a storm that wreaks havoc on both defenses.

P.S. I am a Raider fan and a football fan and given the Raiders have not been in the playoffs in a long time, I guess I have acquired the ability to create narratives to make the games more interesting for myself. Here's to hoping that I will not have to next year.

mranquales wrote Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:45 pm:If Murray had played, the Saints would have won.

The lack of Murray meant the Saints couldn't overcome the Cook effect.

It is science!

Damn, some people are really taking this fun thread seriously.

Ivanavich wrote Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:54 am:Follow me here-
Republicans are red.
Democrats are blue.
The Trumpies who rioted at the White House carried US and Confederate Flags.

Packers are green and gold, politically neutral. Everybody can cheer for green and gold.

I had a feeling you would be hungover today ;)

Carr had a damn fine season in 2020. He threw more picks and had some fumbles, but he did what winning quarterbacks do: he led the offense to a lot of points and made things happen when the team needed him to. What more can you ask?

The only downside is that this thread just isn't interesting anymore.

Carr silenced his legitimate critics (I include myself in that group), and the worst thing I can say about him at this point is that I wonder if he can keep up the same level of play going forward.

Gruden's nutless and unimaginative red zone playcalling cost us at least two games. The defense cost us most of our other losses. Carr had a couple bad games, but so what? Every QB gets smacked down a few times every season.

Back to Gruden: I wonder if he was watching yesterday when Andy Reid loaded up his gigantic balls in a wheelbarrow and went for it on 4th down to seal the win. If Gruden had 1/5th the cajones Reid does, we finish the season 10-6 despite our dog-shit defense.

Anyway, unless and until Carr returns to 2017-2019 form in 2021, this thread isn't going to be the go-to cage match this offseason.

Jared Cook is a Great Playaaa. Get ovah it....

I'm sorry I left this thread...

but I switched to the Columbo rerun and watched Dick Van Dyke get caught. Too bad they don't have Murder, She wrote on next. That Jessica Fletcher could solve every murder she saw.

Leave it to Cook to make me have to watch the highlights... :hypnotized: You had me at Columbo..........best series ever

I'm sorry I left this thread...

but I switched to the Columbo rerun and watched Dick Van Dyke get caught. Too bad they don't have Murder, She wrote on next. That Jessica Fletcher could solve every murder she saw.

Leave it to Cook to make me have to watch the highlights... :hypnotized: Columbo is the shit

Me an Ivan are two of the most intelligent posters on this board.

Cook's fumble altered this game.....he is a game killer and Ivan called it.

I am humbled by your prognostication....

With the Tay Train out, nothing can counteract the Cook effect.

FLORIDARAYDAH wrote Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:13 pm:The whole playoffs. If people think we are close they will be disappointed. We may sneak in for a 1 and done but we are light years behind the good teams

We beat 3 of the 4 teams that played today this season

game will be on the history channel

Max B to start the trade for Henne thread

and the ol gopher ball on the busted screen

Ivanavich wrote Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:17 pm:Bills passing on every play.

An actual Ngakoue sighting!

As I understand it, he is being rotated out and playing both DE spots.

So far... he hasn't done much against the Bills.

We need Albert Haynesworth & Richard Seymour....

This is going to sound like a Ivanavich post but;

5 teams pay OL over $50m a year.
We are one of them, saints are the only team in the play offs that are but they are also $80m over the cap. Other 3 are picking top 11 in the draft.


Maybe the sample size isn't big enough, but maybe it's indicating you can't put as much resources into OL. Miller soon enough needs to be paid. We can't pay 5 OL. 2 or 3 at the most. Cable is getting hyped for good coaching. Let him have a C and LT, see what he can do with cheaper Guards and RT.

Lotta people dogging it. I'm not.

Want a true alpha at wideout? This dude puts up good numbers with shitty QBs lets see what he does in a good offense with a QB that can throw.

He'll be expensive, but teams that want players can get really creative with the cap and rumors are coming out the hit isn't going to be as bad as project (potentially).

If we could find a way to swing Robinson, a DT and a FS I'd be thrilled. Need? No. But it would push this offense to the next level especially if Ruggs and Edwards take a huge step in year 2

bringdafunk wrote Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:40 am:3rd in QB hurries!

Wait, we had the 3rd most QB hurries in the league??

There's a gopher ball thrown in most NFL games. Aaron Rodgers throws them. People here didn't realize it happened all the time and also why you can't just throw it to another receiver so I'm just making it known why it happens and how often it happens. The "gopher ball" is one of the most misleading, lame knocks against Carr. Just people reaching for a reason to hate the guy. It's done often by the detractors.

If you're a team that runs a lot of screens and they get blown up, you're going to get a lot of gopher balls bc that's better than a turnover or a penalty.

Ivanavich wrote Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:08 pm:Now...

wait a minute...

doesn't the 'prevent defense' prevent you from winning?

Asking for a "friend."

Yes, unless that lead is 28 points or more. :)

Kordell “Slash” Stewart

They are giving out information for the purpose to show as much as possible the
Raiders short comings without the background or developments. They are only providing
information to troll and feed those who bash the Raiders and are negative most of the time. Looking at former players on other teams and former trades can be insightful but
the info is given in such away to bash. As for future 2021 team giving progress and ways
to overcome the failures would be better than talking about Del Rio or former players
who are not apart of the Raiders in 2021. Saying maybe we can trade Gruden again it
PFT is idiotic.

Ivanavich wrote Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:49 pm:Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bears playing a 5 - 1 defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Tony Romo said so.

Ivan I don't think just the Washington no name team listens to you. So you have the ear of two teams now...

Do we assume every time our first pick is called that there are always teams ringing the phone off the hook asking us to trade back? It does take 2 to trade back right?

Henry ran for over 2,000 yards.

He was out of gas. It happens to humans, but not to players on Madden. In his prime when he was healthy (like Henry) Earl Campbell never rand out of gas. And they could really hit back then. That Earl Campbell-Jack Tatum collision on the goal line might be the hardest one ever.

Now this was a run. Of course he would be penalized for targeting. Us old timers remember this...

https://youtu.be/F9y_KZwOq9g

He is a legendary coach, no doubt. When one of the smartest coaches in the league, Sean McVay replaces you and they not only improve significantly but also no other team is talking to you. It's a good indication that the league is moving on.

We'll see if any team brings him on as DC next season but as of now the only time Wade's name is mentioned is when Wade himself says it That's why I don't understand why so many are pissing themselves over Wade. He seemingly has to pimp himself out on twitter being how no team has reportedly even been interested in him