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A high school football player is offered an opportunity to play at Ohio State for example. He can
1) accept the offer, play football and in return get a free education and the possibility of playing professional football
2) Go to college, chose not to play football and pay for it with no chance of going to the NFL
3) Get a job.
Most teenagers see option 1 as the best. Others may see option 3 as the best. Very few would chose option 2. That is because option 1 has the most perks and the least downside...which is why it is heavily sought after.
I am fine with not playing and I don't begrudge those athletes for their scholarships. They earned them. The only time I am dissatisfied with the system is when the athletes fail to take advantage of the golden opportunity that is a free scholarship.
If you read my statement as complaining, it wasn't meant to be taken in that manner. I am merely saying they are well compensated for their services. If they want to be paid, their tuition can be substituted from the paycheck.
As it currently stands, college ball is a boon for NFL prospects. You have the chance to hone your skills under talented coaches, first rate facilities, huge stadiums, televised games and you can earn an expensive education for free. Eighteen years olds aren't going to survive in the NFL and if you wash out in a minor league, you are left with nothing but a tiny paycheck. If you wash out in college ball (and if you are smart), you have a degree and connections for jobs.
It's not easy to become a student athlete and it's not easy to remain a student athlete. It takes way more than god-given talent and a phone call to a school letting someone know they're available for their team, and asking when they start. The money spigot is already turned on--let the athletes get at least a small cupful.
BTW, Jalen is a great example of giving back. He founded a high school academy in Detroit which has been very successful.
And without the school's infrastructure, coaching and fan base, they wouldn't have been legends.
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No, a perk of playing college football is a possibility of playing pro football. If you don't like the outcomes of playing college football and don't think it is a good deal, do something different. The possibility of playing in the NFL is one of the perks of major college football. That is a good thing about college football, not a bad thing. You have to be trolling because this is pretty simple.Skullz wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:56 pm:Of course I do, but that doesn’t really apply to your ridiculous argument justiying mandatory participation in college athletics to get a shot at the pros right. Again your strawmans suck.
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Waiiiit what?!? I can’t believe I’m even entertaining this clown. I know after a certain point he doesn’t even believe the shit he types... he couldn’t possibly. Right? Lol.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:50 pm:College ball isn't mandatory. it is a choice. If you don't like the rules, chose something different.
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Ok didn’t address a single thing I said. Again your solipsistic point of view makes you very predictable. Sorry for wasting my time. I was incredibly stupid for responding to you. Have fun with your pseudocorrections.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:59 pm:No, a perk of playing college football is a possibility of playing pro football. If you don't like the outcomes of playing college football and don't think it is a good deal, do something different. The possibility of playing in the NFL is one of the perks of major college football. That is a good thing about college football, not a bad thing. You have to be trolling because this is pretty simple.
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A high school football player is offered an opportunity to play at Ohio State for example. He can
1) accept the offer, play football and in return get a free education and the possibility of playing professional football
2) Go to college, chose not to play football and pay for it with no chance of going to the NFL
3) Get a job.
Most teenagers see option 1 as the best. Others may see option 3 as the best. Very few would chose option 2. That is because option 1 has the most perks and the least downside...which is why it is heavily sought after.
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So college football is mandatory? I am pretty sure students can chose to go or not go to college and play football. Maybe things have changed but I am pretty sure that I am 100% correct here.Skullz wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:59 pm:Waiiiit what?!? I can’t believe I’m even entertaining this clown. I know after a certain point he doesn’t even believe the shit he types... he couldn’t possibly. Right? Lol.
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You keep making some bizarre assertion that college football is mandatory...which it isn't. People have a choice as to whether or not they play college football. If they don't like the perks, they can do something different.Skullz wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:02 pm:Ok didn’t address a single thing I said. Again your solipsistic point of view makes you very predictable. Sorry for wasting my time. I was incredibly stupid for responding to you. Have fun with your pseudocorrections.
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Yeah, I know. I played athletics through tenth grade, I put in the hours and discovered that my talents resided else where. To be a college athlete especially the ones we are discussing, you have to be born with the God-given skills. Yes, an athlete must practice and work hard to hone those skills but I could have worked out 12 hours a day and I still wouldn't have made it as a college athlete. I simply lack the hand/eye coordination and reflexes. Those football players out there are monsters. My RA was an offensive lineman at my college. I asked him once on a lark to compare Oregon to our team. He told me their lineman were faster than our skill players.Atlasffa wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:15 am:You had the same opportunity as every other child in America to do the work it takes to be a college athlete.
I am fine with not playing and I don't begrudge those athletes for their scholarships. They earned them. The only time I am dissatisfied with the system is when the athletes fail to take advantage of the golden opportunity that is a free scholarship.
If you read my statement as complaining, it wasn't meant to be taken in that manner. I am merely saying they are well compensated for their services. If they want to be paid, their tuition can be substituted from the paycheck.
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I agree. I have thought that maybe they could get some basic compensation from the school like someone who works in the bookstore or library. minimum wage for practices and games or something like that.CarrKnight wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:09 pm:Yeah, I know. I played athletics through tenth grade, I put in the hours and discovered that my talents resided else where. To be a college athlete especially the ones we are discussing, you have to be born with the God-given skills. Yes, an athlete must practice and work hard to hone those skills but I could have worked out 12 hours a day and I still wouldn't have made it as a college athlete. I simply lack the hand/eye coordination and reflexes. Those football players out there are monsters. My RA was an offensive lineman at my college. I asked him once on a lark to compare Oregon to our team. He told me their lineman were faster than our skill players.
I am fine with not playing and I don't begrudge those athletes for their scholarships. They earned them. The only time I am dissatisfied with the system is when the athletes fail to take advantage of the golden opportunity that is a free scholarship.
If you read my statement as complaining, it wasn't meant to be taken in that manner. I am merely saying they are well compensated for their services. If they want to be paid, their tuition can be substituted from the paycheck.
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Again if the athletes had a choice between scholarship and going to school and getting paid and going to school you would have an argument. The argument is that they do NOT have a choice if they want to play professional football. If they get hurt during their time playing college ball they are assed out. It’s not the same as minor league system and you keep acting like a college scholarship is some sort of God’s gift to earth when there are people who have zero desire for a scholarship and just want to or can play ball at the highest levels. They aren’t given that choice. Can you follow or not? That’s rhetorical.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:06 pm:You keep making some bizarre assertion that college football is mandatory...which it isn't. People have a choice as to whether or not they play college football. If they don't like the perks, they can do something different.
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As it currently stands, college ball is a boon for NFL prospects. You have the chance to hone your skills under talented coaches, first rate facilities, huge stadiums, televised games and you can earn an expensive education for free. Eighteen years olds aren't going to survive in the NFL and if you wash out in a minor league, you are left with nothing but a tiny paycheck. If you wash out in college ball (and if you are smart), you have a degree and connections for jobs.
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Many of the athletes come from impoverished backgrounds and although they are getting tuition, food and sometimes room, they get very little or no money for the expenses of daily living (transportation, clothing, phone, etc.).Student athletes spend twenty hours a week in team activities plus their own personal workouts--there is no time for a job to earn spending money. The university uses their image and sells their jerseys, posters, photos and the like, with the athlete getting $0 from those sales. For the most part, not a big deal at Div II schools. Large Div I schools benefit in many ways from their star athletes, not the least of which is money. In the olden days, kids went to a particular school for academics and were delighted if they could get an athletic scholarship to pay for it. It's a new day and age. College football has become the minor league system of the NFL. Kids are scouted from a young age and wooed to college programs based on the number of stars scouts and sportswriters award them. It's a big business encompassing NCAA, ESPN, Fox, BTN (and many other networks), sportswriters, multi-media, athletic equipment companies, PR, advertisement, etc., and the only ones not getting paid are the kids putting their futures on the line.CarrKnight wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:09 pm:Yeah, I know. I played athletics through tenth grade, I put in the hours and discovered that my talents resided else where. To be a college athlete especially the ones we are discussing, you have to be born with the God-given skills. Yes, an athlete must practice and work hard to hone those skills but I could have worked out 12 hours a day and I still wouldn't have made it as a college athlete. I simply lack the hand/eye coordination and reflexes. Those football players out there are monsters. My RA was an offensive lineman at my college. I asked him once on a lark to compare Oregon to our team. He told me their lineman were faster than our skill players.
I am fine with not playing and I don't begrudge those athletes for their scholarships. They earned them. The only time I am dissatisfied with the system is when the athletes fail to take advantage of the golden opportunity that is a free scholarship.
If you read my statement as complaining, it wasn't meant to be taken in that manner. I am merely saying they are well compensated for their services. If they want to be paid, their tuition can be substituted from the paycheck.
It's not easy to become a student athlete and it's not easy to remain a student athlete. It takes way more than god-given talent and a phone call to a school letting someone know they're available for their team, and asking when they start. The money spigot is already turned on--let the athletes get at least a small cupful.
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I see. Everybody starts out with the same possibilities and if they don't achieve the same things they have nobody else to blame. Your dad is a multimillionaire whos dotes on you versus your dad being a violent alcoholic who terrorizes your mother and you. Just don't worry about the lack of a sound diet, the beatings, etc. and make new shoes. Easy peasy.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:48 pm:Why would I want to walk a mile in shoes that someone else made? I will just walk in the shoes that I made. They are comfortable. If someone doesn't like the shoes they made, they can make new ones. Life is about making the right choices.
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Jalen Rose talks about this a lot using his experience as a member of the Fab Five. A booster pays for their pizza and they are in a world of trouble while the school is making tens of millions off of their efforts. A pizza that the few of them couldn't pay for because they had no money in their pockets.Atlasffa wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:35 pm:Many of the athletes come from impoverished backgrounds and although they are getting tuition, food and sometimes room, they get very little or no money for the expenses of daily living (transportation, clothing, phone, etc.).Student athletes spend twenty hours a week in team activities plus their own personal workouts--there is no time for a job to earn spending money. The university uses their image and sells their jerseys, posters, photos and the like, with the athlete getting $0 from those sales. For the most part, not a big deal at Div II schools. Large Div I schools benefit in many ways from their star athletes, not the least of which is money. In the olden days, kids went to a particular school for academics and were delighted if they could get an athletic scholarship to pay for it. It's a new day and age. College football has become the minor league system of the NFL. Kids are scouted from a young age and wooed to college programs based on the number of stars scouts and sportswriters award them. It's a big business encompassing NCAA, ESPN, Fox, BTN (and many other networks), sportswriters, multi-media, athletic equipment companies, PR, advertisement, etc., and the only ones not getting paid are the kids putting their futures on the line.
It's not easy to become a student athlete and it's not easy to remain a student athlete. It takes way more than god-given talent and a phone call to a school letting someone know they're available for their team, and asking when they start. The money spigot is already turned on--let the athletes get at least a small cupful.
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Exactly. I could post story after story like Jalen's.Jeevo wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:55 pm:Jalen Rose talks about this a lot using his experience as a member of the Fab Five. A booster pays for their pizza and they are in a world of trouble while the school is making tens of millions off of their efforts. A pizza that the few of them couldn't pay for because they had no money in their pockets.
BTW, Jalen is a great example of giving back. He founded a high school academy in Detroit which has been very successful.
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What a tragedy. They might have gone without pizza.Jeevo wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:55 pm:Jalen Rose talks about this a lot using his experience as a member of the Fab Five. A booster pays for their pizza and they are in a world of trouble while the school is making tens of millions off of their efforts. A pizza that the few of them couldn't pay for because they had no money in their pockets.
And without the school's infrastructure, coaching and fan base, they wouldn't have been legends.
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