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I like the fact that this team is going into camp - with much to prove - better than going into camp thinking you have arrived - that sure did not work for the team last year.
I was one of those (or maybe the only one) that voted, "We'll improve, but we won't make the playoffs" in that poll.
So if we make the playoffs, whose going to be a happy camper? Me.
But I don't think Gruden needs any press clippings to motivate the squad.
2016 - Offensive Coordinator - Bill Musgrave = Carr is an MVP candidate and we score at will. We (Jack and Tice, etc) kept us from scoring more than other teams did.
2018 - Offensive Coordinator - John Gruden with Greg Olsen =
Do you trust Gruden more than Musgrave?
Just check this out - only one example of the so-called objective observers being right the majority of the time...lol!
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/10/nfl-2 ... am-records
Either way...I dont think anyone will know how we will fair this year until week 4 or 5.
All of the talking heads are counting us out... I like it!
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Those same objective observers had the Raiders vying for the Super Bowl last year. That hype sure did not help the team last year. So, yes, maybe being the underdogs going into this year may be a better place to be in.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:24 pm:so having objective observers say that we won't be good is somehow a positive?
I like the fact that this team is going into camp - with much to prove - better than going into camp thinking you have arrived - that sure did not work for the team last year.
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I was one of those (or maybe the only one) that voted, "We'll improve, but we won't make the playoffs" in that poll.
So if we make the playoffs, whose going to be a happy camper? Me.
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Those same people had us being at the bottom of the league for 10+ years and they were correct. They also had the patriots at the top of the league and they were correct. the objective observers are right more than they are wrong. I just don't see the upside of objective people thinking we will be bad. Maybe it lowers expectations but it really isn't a good thing.signal wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:45 pm:Those same objective observers had the Raiders vying for the Super Bowl last year. That hype sure did not help the team last year. So, yes, maybe being the underdogs going into this year may be a better place to be in.
I like the fact that this team is going into camp - with much to prove - better than going into camp thinking you have arrived - that sure did not work for the team last year.
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But I don't think Gruden needs any press clippings to motivate the squad.
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2016 - Offensive Coordinator - Bill Musgrave = Carr is an MVP candidate and we score at will. We (Jack and Tice, etc) kept us from scoring more than other teams did.
2018 - Offensive Coordinator - John Gruden with Greg Olsen =
Do you trust Gruden more than Musgrave?
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No. Gruden is unknown at this point because he hasn't coached in a long time. in 2016 we won a lot of close games that could have gone either way. in 2017 we didn't look good at all at times. There really is no way to know how we will perform with a coach who has been out of the league as long as Gruden has. It will be a fun ride either way though!victvm wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:18 pm:Look at it this way.
2016 - Offensive Coordinator - Bill Musgrave = Carr is an MVP candidate and we score at will. We (Jack and Tice, etc) kept us from scoring more than other teams did.
2018 - Offensive Coordinator - John Gruden with Greg Olsen =
Do you trust Gruden more than Musgrave?
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I disagree, the success rate of the prognosticators is not that good. Sorry but they are wrong as much as they are right. Where did they have Philly and the Rams at this point last year? What about the Jags - where did they have them last year at this time? Did they have the Bills making the playoffs last year? So, no, the Raiders were not the only team they got dead wrong. They make mistakes and their mistakes are huge. They are about as accurate as any knowledgeable fan on this board.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:11 pm:Those same people had us being at the bottom of the league for 10+ years and they were correct. They also had the patriots at the top of the league and they were correct. the objective observers are right more than they are wrong. I just don't see the upside of objective people thinking we will be bad. Maybe it lowers expectations but it really isn't a good thing.
Just check this out - only one example of the so-called objective observers being right the majority of the time...lol!
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/10/nfl-2 ... am-records
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Either way...I dont think anyone will know how we will fair this year until week 4 or 5.
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Agree, anyone simply discounting the team because of the talking heads is simply WRONG about their track record of getting things right. All one has to do is check out what they said last year....at times they are not only a tad wrong but get divisions ass backwards. But hey, if people want to trust their superior so-called superior ability to tell the future...so be it.grosse gurke wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:04 pm:All the talking heads counting us out can mean 1 of 2 things to me. Either my bias for all things raiders has skewing my view of the team and we really do suck.....or my bias for all things raiders has me reading more about the team and new players and therefore I am more informed then the pundits and my optimism is warranted.
Either way...I dont think anyone will know how we will fair this year until week 4 or 5.
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Who hates the talking heads? You don't have to hate them to disagree with them. When did anyone in this thread state that they hate the talking heads? What are talking about?CarrKnight wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:07 pm:Fans love the talking heads when they are high on their team and they hate the talking heads when they are down on their team.
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