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  r8rfox » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:12 pm

Everywhere I read, the Raiders are "retooling" or Gruden's old school approach will take time to acclimate to the newer "high tech" NFL. They all have us at the bottom of the division and struggling the reach .500 this year. My first response was, "huh???" But now that I think about it, I am glad these tools are doing this. We don't need much locker room wall motivation with the likes of Chucky running the team, but hey, I think this is even more motivation for a hungry, unknown team like the Raiders. We have most of the pieces and some new additions from the 2016 campaign with a new staff. With Gru and Gunther running things, I just don't see what these media dumb asses see. They just assume, new coaching staff, rebuilding year = < .500... I'm not buying it, but I am glad they are ruling us out as contenders.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:24 pm

so having objective observers say that we won't be good is somehow a positive?

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  signal » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:45 pm

mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:24 pm:so having objective observers say that we won't be good is somehow a positive?

Those same objective observers had the Raiders vying for the Super Bowl last year. That hype sure did not help the team last year. So, yes, maybe being the underdogs going into this year may be a better place to be in.

I like the fact that this team is going into camp - with much to prove - better than going into camp thinking you have arrived - that sure did not work for the team last year.

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  Hawaiian Raider » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:04 pm

I prefer to be the underdog than the favorite.

I was one of those (or maybe the only one) that voted, "We'll improve, but we won't make the playoffs" in that poll.

So if we make the playoffs, whose going to be a happy camper? Me.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:11 pm

signal wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:45 pm:Those same objective observers had the Raiders vying for the Super Bowl last year. That hype sure did not help the team last year. So, yes, maybe being the underdogs going into this year may be a better place to be in.

I like the fact that this team is going into camp - with much to prove - better than going into camp thinking you have arrived - that sure did not work for the team last year.

Those same people had us being at the bottom of the league for 10+ years and they were correct. They also had the patriots at the top of the league and they were correct. the objective observers are right more than they are wrong. I just don't see the upside of objective people thinking we will be bad. Maybe it lowers expectations but it really isn't a good thing.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:12 pm

I didn't hear people complaining last year when they were predicting we would be good.

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  victvm » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:18 pm

Look at it this way.

2016 - Offensive Coordinator - Bill Musgrave = Carr is an MVP candidate and we score at will. We (Jack and Tice, etc) kept us from scoring more than other teams did.

2018 - Offensive Coordinator - John Gruden with Greg Olsen =

Do you trust Gruden more than Musgrave?

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:24 pm

victvm wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:18 pm:Look at it this way.

2016 - Offensive Coordinator - Bill Musgrave = Carr is an MVP candidate and we score at will. We (Jack and Tice, etc) kept us from scoring more than other teams did.

2018 - Offensive Coordinator - John Gruden with Greg Olsen =

Do you trust Gruden more than Musgrave?

No. Gruden is unknown at this point because he hasn't coached in a long time. in 2016 we won a lot of close games that could have gone either way. in 2017 we didn't look good at all at times. There really is no way to know how we will perform with a coach who has been out of the league as long as Gruden has. It will be a fun ride either way though!

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  signal » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:53 pm

mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:11 pm:Those same people had us being at the bottom of the league for 10+ years and they were correct. They also had the patriots at the top of the league and they were correct. the objective observers are right more than they are wrong. I just don't see the upside of objective people thinking we will be bad. Maybe it lowers expectations but it really isn't a good thing.

I disagree, the success rate of the prognosticators is not that good. Sorry but they are wrong as much as they are right. Where did they have Philly and the Rams at this point last year? What about the Jags - where did they have them last year at this time? Did they have the Bills making the playoffs last year? So, no, the Raiders were not the only team they got dead wrong. They make mistakes and their mistakes are huge. They are about as accurate as any knowledgeable fan on this board.

Just check this out - only one example of the so-called objective observers being right the majority of the time...lol!
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/05/10/nfl-2 ... am-records

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  grosse gurke » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:04 pm

All the talking heads counting us out can mean 1 of 2 things to me. Either my bias for all things raiders has skewing my view of the team and we really do suck.....or my bias for all things raiders has me reading more about the team and new players and therefore I am more informed then the pundits and my optimism is warranted.

Either way...I dont think anyone will know how we will fair this year until week 4 or 5.

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  signal » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:06 pm

grosse gurke wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:04 pm:All the talking heads counting us out can mean 1 of 2 things to me. Either my bias for all things raiders has skewing my view of the team and we really do suck.....or my bias for all things raiders has me reading more about the team and new players and therefore I am more informed then the pundits and my optimism is warranted.

Either way...I dont think anyone will know how we will fair this year until week 4 or 5.

Agree, anyone simply discounting the team because of the talking heads is simply WRONG about their track record of getting things right. All one has to do is check out what they said last year....at times they are not only a tad wrong but get divisions ass backwards. But hey, if people want to trust their superior so-called superior ability to tell the future...so be it.

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  signal » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:10 pm

CarrKnight wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:07 pm:Fans love the talking heads when they are high on their team and they hate the talking heads when they are down on their team.

Who hates the talking heads? You don't have to hate them to disagree with them. When did anyone in this thread state that they hate the talking heads? What are talking about?