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Re: Peter King: Raiders May Take QB in Round 1 and Sit Him Behind Carr for 2019

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  chucker » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:14 am

random12345678 wrote Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:48 pm:It could work. The Browns traded a late round pick for Brock Osweiler and a 2nd round pick. The Texans were in real cap trouble and Osweiler cost $16 M a year.

The Browns were willing to spend the $16 M for a QB they didn't want because they had the cap space, and they wanted the 2nd round pick. It was like buying a 2nd round pick for $16 M.

Some other team might feel the same way. They want the 1st from the Raiders, and they're willing to spend the $25 M on the useless QB they're going to end up cutting.
The Raiders can trade Carr for actual value if they choose..... they don't need to "pay" someone a draft pick just to take him. It's up for debate as to how much compensation you could get, but Carr's contract is actually an asset, not a liability - because if he turns it around then he's a bargain.

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  heavyD » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:39 am

I’m hoping Mayock is the voice of reason in the draft room as 2020 is a better year to be picking a QB via the draft. The Raiders should be picking top 5/10 with their own pick but don’t discount the Bears 2020 pick. Chances are the Packers and Vikings bounce back next season but on top of that they play the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc. They face significantly tougher opponents and I wouldn’t rule their pick out as a top 10 pick as everything won’t likely go right with injuries as well as a much stiffer schedule and they could easily be next season’s Jaguars.

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  Radman » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:09 am

heavyD wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:39 am:I’m hoping Mayock is the voice of reason in the draft room as 2020 is a better year to be picking a QB via the draft. The Raiders should be picking top 5/10 with their own pick but don’t discount the Bears 2020 pick. Chances are the Packers and Vikings bounce back next season but on top of that they play the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc. They face significantly tougher opponents and I wouldn’t rule their pick out as a top 10 pick as everything won’t likely go right with injuries as well as a much stiffer schedule and they could easily be next season’s Jaguars.
They also lost their DC.

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  HITMAN » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:01 am

heavyD wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:39 am:I’m hoping Mayock is the voice of reason in the draft room as 2020 is a better year to be picking a QB via the draft. The Raiders should be picking top 5/10 with their own pick but don’t discount the Bears 2020 pick. Chances are the Packers and Vikings bounce back next season but on top of that they play the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc. They face significantly tougher opponents and I wouldn’t rule their pick out as a top 10 pick as everything won’t likely go right with injuries as well as a much stiffer schedule and they could easily be next season’s Jaguars.
Mayock could turn out to be Gruden's Ron Wolf... now wouldn't that be something?

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  Ivanavich » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:20 am

Chiefhater wrote Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:59 am:I'd offer one of our late first round picks and move on from Carr. You could still draft a QB to groom in the mid rounds or in next year's draft.

Carr is worth two 1st round draft picks. You don't give that away by also throwing away one of the Raiders 1st round draft picks under the irrational argument that Carr is trash and needs to be hauled away ASAP.

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  Ivanavich » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:29 am

Hey... here's a thought worth a million dollars:
WHY don't the Raiders trade Carr and a 1st :thumbsup: to the Cardinals for
say it with me

you know the answer

Mr. Trash, the QB who has been traded TWICE for a 1st round draft pick

and he sh*t the bed for both of those teams along with the Cardinals and the Rams

say it with me

Sam Bradford!!!

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  kinz » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 am

HITMAN wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:01 am:Mayock could turn out to be Gruden's Ron Wolf... now wouldn't that be something?
I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done. It is said negatively, but I prefer it to the usual MO of a guy who has proven himself to be below average at the job being hired. From interviews, Mayock seems very intelligent and in control of himself. He has a lot of knowledge about players.

This is obviously a huge gamble. I would have preferred a GM that would hire his own coach, but with Gruden here, I'm fine with it. It may be a complete disaster, but so what, we get the Clemson guy if it is, and the option was a maxing out at .500.

However, we should really hire a guy with experience making deals in the NFL. I'd even hire Mack's agent to do it. Gruden and Mayock will likely get their lunch eaten in this aspect.

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  LaRaider2010 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:44 pm

kinz wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 am:I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done..
why would you say this ? I know you know that Gruden is the GM in almost all aspects. Mayock is purely for player evaluation for the draft and free agent prospects, which gruden needs help with. They have that one dude that started with the franchise as an intern, (has finance degree) that now has been with the team for 14 years that does contracts, and Gruden will do all the other GM decision making.

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  kinz » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:59 pm

LaRaider2010 wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:44 pm:why would you say this ? I know you know that Gruden is the GM in almost all aspects. Mayock is purely for player evaluation for the draft and free agent prospects, which gruden needs help with. They have that one dude that started with the franchise as an intern, (has finance degree) that now has been with the team for 14 years that does contracts, and Gruden will do all the other GM decision making.
What you just outlined is likely what will happen. What I was describing was the best chance our franchise has.

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  HITMAN » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:25 am

kinz wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 am:I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done. It is said negatively, but I prefer it to the usual MO of a guy who has proven himself to be below average at the job being hired. From interviews, Mayock seems very intelligent and in control of himself. He has a lot of knowledge about players.

This is obviously a huge gamble. I would have preferred a GM that would hire his own coach, but with Gruden here, I'm fine with it. It may be a complete disaster, but so what, we get the Clemson guy if it is, and the option was a maxing out at .500.

However, we should really hire a guy with experience making deals in the NFL. I'd even hire Mack's agent to do it. Gruden and Mayock will likely get their lunch eaten in this aspect.
Mayock was hired for his ability to scout talent, since Gruden is essentially the HC/GM... Mayock is GM in name only and will most likely oversee the scouting and player personnel, but as far as actual GM duties he will be limited.

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  kinz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

HITMAN wrote Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:25 am:Mayock was hired for his ability to scout talent, since Gruden is essentially the HC/GM... Mayock is GM in name only and will most likely oversee the scouting and player personnel, but as far as actual GM duties he will be limited.
I don't care if Mayock is actually writing the contracts, but if he is the guy picking the players instead of Gruden, both FA and the draft, and can do it really well, then that is great.

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  beastmode24 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:58 am

kinz wrote Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm:I don't care if Mayock is actually writing the contracts, but if he is the guy picking the players instead of Gruden, both FA and the draft, and can do it really well, then that is great.
and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...

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  Chiefhater » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:39 am

beastmode24 wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:58 am:and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...
Gruden said that he wanted Derwin.

I don't know if he's telling the truth. But it seems like someone could easily refute that claim if false. Unless Cable pushed for Miller.

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  kinz » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:28 am

Chiefhater wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:39 am:Gruden said that he wanted Derwin.

I don't know if he's telling the truth. But it seems like someone could easily refute that claim if false. Unless Cable pushed for Miller.
Gruden says a lot of stuff. If you want a tip to know when he is lying, it is when there is sound coming from him. What Gruden said doesn't mean shit. Gruden had 100% control of the draft decisions and we drafted Kolton. That is the truth, and not some bullshit spin.

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  kinz » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:31 am

beastmode24 wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:58 am:and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...
Could well be, I don't know, and never claimed to know.

What I said is that our best, really only, chance to do well is if Mayock winds up a high quality evaluator of college and pro talent and has a lot of say in the moves we make. Whether any of that happens is anybody's guess. I am pretty convinced that if Gruden is picking players and making personnel moves we are going to suck ass.

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