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Carr is worth two 1st round draft picks. You don't give that away by also throwing away one of the Raiders 1st round draft picks under the irrational argument that Carr is trash and needs to be hauled away ASAP.
WHY don't the Raiders trade Carr and a 1st
to the Cardinals for
say it with me
you know the answer
Mr. Trash, the QB who has been traded TWICE for a 1st round draft pick
and he sh*t the bed for both of those teams along with the Cardinals and the Rams
say it with me
Sam Bradford!!!
This is obviously a huge gamble. I would have preferred a GM that would hire his own coach, but with Gruden here, I'm fine with it. It may be a complete disaster, but so what, we get the Clemson guy if it is, and the option was a maxing out at .500.
However, we should really hire a guy with experience making deals in the NFL. I'd even hire Mack's agent to do it. Gruden and Mayock will likely get their lunch eaten in this aspect.
I don't know if he's telling the truth. But it seems like someone could easily refute that claim if false. Unless Cable pushed for Miller.
What I said is that our best, really only, chance to do well is if Mayock winds up a high quality evaluator of college and pro talent and has a lot of say in the moves we make. Whether any of that happens is anybody's guess. I am pretty convinced that if Gruden is picking players and making personnel moves we are going to suck ass.
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The Raiders can trade Carr for actual value if they choose..... they don't need to "pay" someone a draft pick just to take him. It's up for debate as to how much compensation you could get, but Carr's contract is actually an asset, not a liability - because if he turns it around then he's a bargain.random12345678 wrote Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:48 pm:It could work. The Browns traded a late round pick for Brock Osweiler and a 2nd round pick. The Texans were in real cap trouble and Osweiler cost $16 M a year.
The Browns were willing to spend the $16 M for a QB they didn't want because they had the cap space, and they wanted the 2nd round pick. It was like buying a 2nd round pick for $16 M.
Some other team might feel the same way. They want the 1st from the Raiders, and they're willing to spend the $25 M on the useless QB they're going to end up cutting.
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They also lost their DC.heavyD wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:39 am:I’m hoping Mayock is the voice of reason in the draft room as 2020 is a better year to be picking a QB via the draft. The Raiders should be picking top 5/10 with their own pick but don’t discount the Bears 2020 pick. Chances are the Packers and Vikings bounce back next season but on top of that they play the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc. They face significantly tougher opponents and I wouldn’t rule their pick out as a top 10 pick as everything won’t likely go right with injuries as well as a much stiffer schedule and they could easily be next season’s Jaguars.
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Mayock could turn out to be Gruden's Ron Wolf... now wouldn't that be something?heavyD wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:39 am:I’m hoping Mayock is the voice of reason in the draft room as 2020 is a better year to be picking a QB via the draft. The Raiders should be picking top 5/10 with their own pick but don’t discount the Bears 2020 pick. Chances are the Packers and Vikings bounce back next season but on top of that they play the Chiefs, Chargers, Rams, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, etc. They face significantly tougher opponents and I wouldn’t rule their pick out as a top 10 pick as everything won’t likely go right with injuries as well as a much stiffer schedule and they could easily be next season’s Jaguars.
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Chiefhater wrote Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:59 am:I'd offer one of our late first round picks and move on from Carr. You could still draft a QB to groom in the mid rounds or in next year's draft.
Carr is worth two 1st round draft picks. You don't give that away by also throwing away one of the Raiders 1st round draft picks under the irrational argument that Carr is trash and needs to be hauled away ASAP.
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WHY don't the Raiders trade Carr and a 1st
to the Cardinals forsay it with me
you know the answer
Mr. Trash, the QB who has been traded TWICE for a 1st round draft pick
and he sh*t the bed for both of those teams along with the Cardinals and the Rams
say it with me
Sam Bradford!!!
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kinz
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I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done. It is said negatively, but I prefer it to the usual MO of a guy who has proven himself to be below average at the job being hired. From interviews, Mayock seems very intelligent and in control of himself. He has a lot of knowledge about players.HITMAN wrote Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:01 am:Mayock could turn out to be Gruden's Ron Wolf... now wouldn't that be something?
This is obviously a huge gamble. I would have preferred a GM that would hire his own coach, but with Gruden here, I'm fine with it. It may be a complete disaster, but so what, we get the Clemson guy if it is, and the option was a maxing out at .500.
However, we should really hire a guy with experience making deals in the NFL. I'd even hire Mack's agent to do it. Gruden and Mayock will likely get their lunch eaten in this aspect.
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why would you say this ? I know you know that Gruden is the GM in almost all aspects. Mayock is purely for player evaluation for the draft and free agent prospects, which gruden needs help with. They have that one dude that started with the franchise as an intern, (has finance degree) that now has been with the team for 14 years that does contracts, and Gruden will do all the other GM decision making.kinz wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 am:I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done..
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What you just outlined is likely what will happen. What I was describing was the best chance our franchise has.LaRaider2010 wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:44 pm:why would you say this ? I know you know that Gruden is the GM in almost all aspects. Mayock is purely for player evaluation for the draft and free agent prospects, which gruden needs help with. They have that one dude that started with the franchise as an intern, (has finance degree) that now has been with the team for 14 years that does contracts, and Gruden will do all the other GM decision making.
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Mayock was hired for his ability to scout talent, since Gruden is essentially the HC/GM... Mayock is GM in name only and will most likely oversee the scouting and player personnel, but as far as actual GM duties he will be limited.kinz wrote Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 am:I'm with you in one aspect. The best hope of this franchise is that a guy who has never run a team at any level becomes terrific at a job he has never done. It is said negatively, but I prefer it to the usual MO of a guy who has proven himself to be below average at the job being hired. From interviews, Mayock seems very intelligent and in control of himself. He has a lot of knowledge about players.
This is obviously a huge gamble. I would have preferred a GM that would hire his own coach, but with Gruden here, I'm fine with it. It may be a complete disaster, but so what, we get the Clemson guy if it is, and the option was a maxing out at .500.
However, we should really hire a guy with experience making deals in the NFL. I'd even hire Mack's agent to do it. Gruden and Mayock will likely get their lunch eaten in this aspect.
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I don't care if Mayock is actually writing the contracts, but if he is the guy picking the players instead of Gruden, both FA and the draft, and can do it really well, then that is great.HITMAN wrote Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:25 am:Mayock was hired for his ability to scout talent, since Gruden is essentially the HC/GM... Mayock is GM in name only and will most likely oversee the scouting and player personnel, but as far as actual GM duties he will be limited.
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and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...kinz wrote Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm:I don't care if Mayock is actually writing the contracts, but if he is the guy picking the players instead of Gruden, both FA and the draft, and can do it really well, then that is great.
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Gruden said that he wanted Derwin.beastmode24 wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:58 am:and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...
I don't know if he's telling the truth. But it seems like someone could easily refute that claim if false. Unless Cable pushed for Miller.
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Gruden says a lot of stuff. If you want a tip to know when he is lying, it is when there is sound coming from him. What Gruden said doesn't mean shit. Gruden had 100% control of the draft decisions and we drafted Kolton. That is the truth, and not some bullshit spin.Chiefhater wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:39 am:Gruden said that he wanted Derwin.
I don't know if he's telling the truth. But it seems like someone could easily refute that claim if false. Unless Cable pushed for Miller.
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Could well be, I don't know, and never claimed to know.beastmode24 wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:58 am:and yet gruden will override him and draft busts like kolton miller over derwin james...
What I said is that our best, really only, chance to do well is if Mayock winds up a high quality evaluator of college and pro talent and has a lot of say in the moves we make. Whether any of that happens is anybody's guess. I am pretty convinced that if Gruden is picking players and making personnel moves we are going to suck ass.
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