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Having said that, I'd ship him off to Houston with Trent Brown and a first rounder for Watson.
Our D is our biggest issue, no doubt. But that doesn't mean you don't try to improve the offense. When the D is the worst part of the team there are plenty of ardent Carr believers saying we need to add weapons on offense.
Over trading boatload of resources for a soon to be 40 million a year QB , who also wants to pick his GM.
Don't see either one happening though, Carr will be the guy.
The sticking point with Watson is the resources to trade for him. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't make a call to see what that might cost.
Trading Carr, without a like or better option, would be stupid, frankly.
Watson is more than a $40 million cap hit in some years if he stays with the Texans.
If Watson leaves the Texans then part of that cap hit stays with the Texans as dead money so it doesn't hit his new team's cap.
Watson's cap hits to the team that trades for him are:
2021 $10.54 million
2022 $35
2023 $37
2024 $32
2025 $32
So the first two seasons average less than $23 million, more than Carr, but not much more in the world of ridiculous QB money.
The following three seasons average just under $34 million and, unless Carr regresses from his 2020 form this season then he's not going to be signing for less than that. I guess we will get a "bargain" extension if he plays poorly but nobody wants that. Dak got offers from the Cowboys higher than that over a year ago, Jared Goff got over $33 million - Carr won't be the highest paid QB in the game again, but he'll get a lot of money, unless he sucks.
This is a good example of why, when trading for any player, it's not the cap hit to his current team that matters because it can be significantly different.
I do agree though, that trading for Watson is a fantasy I just wanted to describe how the cap hit is sometimes misrepresented. It's the trade compensation that would make the deal too costly, not the contract.
Watson isn't coming to Las Vegas. Like many of the big $$$ NFL stars, he invests in his community. He seems to like the idea of NY, but not Miami. I won't give the stats, but any interested posters can look them up themselves and see why Watson might not like the Miami area.
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I doubt Reggie does too.Hellbound wrote Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:55 pm:I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess RM doesn't draft the players in Miami
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Having said that, I'd ship him off to Houston with Trent Brown and a first rounder for Watson.
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So if a better QB can't help because he can't play D, maybe we should save some money on offense and unload Carr in favour of Mariota and add some draft picks for trading Carr?RaiderandBulldog wrote Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:55 pm:I have generally stayed out of this thread but can some one tell how as great as a player Watson is he improve the defense?
Our D is our biggest issue, no doubt. But that doesn't mean you don't try to improve the offense. When the D is the worst part of the team there are plenty of ardent Carr believers saying we need to add weapons on offense.
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If i was picking between those 2 scenarios, id rather trade Carr and go with a 10 million a year Mariota and see what happens.chucker wrote Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:14 pm:So if a better QB can't help because he can't play D, maybe we should save some money on offense and unload Carr in favour of Mariota and add some draft picks for trading Carr?
Our D is our biggest issue, no doubt. But that doesn't mean you don't try to improve the offense. When the D is the worst part of the team there are plenty of ardent Carr believers saying we need to add weapons on offense.
Over trading boatload of resources for a soon to be 40 million a year QB , who also wants to pick his GM.
Don't see either one happening though, Carr will be the guy.
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I agree, but not because of money. Watson may be cheaper than Carr in terms of cap hit over the next 5 seasons. His cap hit for an acquiring team would be a little more than Carr's over the next two seasons (quite a bit less in 2021) but the following three seasons it may actually be less because Carr would need an extension and if he's playing well that will likely be higher than Watson's contract which is about $34 million average over those three seasons.Raider87 wrote Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:36 pm:If i was picking between those 2 scenarios, id rather trade Carr and go with a 10 million a year Mariota and see what happens.
Over trading boatload of resources for a soon to be 40 million a year QB , who also wants to pick his GM.
Don't see either one happening though, Carr will be the guy.
The sticking point with Watson is the resources to trade for him. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't make a call to see what that might cost.
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Trading Carr, without a like or better option, would be stupid, frankly.
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I tried to explain it, but some people keep quoting the $40 million number.deathstar wrote Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:03 pm:If this is a fantasy thread about Deshaun Watson being a Raider, I don't mind him being a Raider. I rather have Josh Allen or Russell Wilson because they are more clutch imo. All of them have a the same chance of being a Raider which is zero. I am not buying Derek Carr will get paid more than Watson (cap hit) in five years. No and I mean no team is going to pay Derek Carr more than $40 million a season.
Watson is more than a $40 million cap hit in some years if he stays with the Texans.
If Watson leaves the Texans then part of that cap hit stays with the Texans as dead money so it doesn't hit his new team's cap.
Watson's cap hits to the team that trades for him are:
2021 $10.54 million
2022 $35
2023 $37
2024 $32
2025 $32
So the first two seasons average less than $23 million, more than Carr, but not much more in the world of ridiculous QB money.
The following three seasons average just under $34 million and, unless Carr regresses from his 2020 form this season then he's not going to be signing for less than that. I guess we will get a "bargain" extension if he plays poorly but nobody wants that. Dak got offers from the Cowboys higher than that over a year ago, Jared Goff got over $33 million - Carr won't be the highest paid QB in the game again, but he'll get a lot of money, unless he sucks.
This is a good example of why, when trading for any player, it's not the cap hit to his current team that matters because it can be significantly different.
I do agree though, that trading for Watson is a fantasy I just wanted to describe how the cap hit is sometimes misrepresented. It's the trade compensation that would make the deal too costly, not the contract.
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Ugh! I have a feeling Gruden cant resist this trade, although I think houston would still be hurting,from his brothers failure ( David Carr) yeah its been years,but the owner is still the same.And trading away your disgruntled "Star", for an unproven "flashlight" who has the the same DNA as a too recent swing and Miss,still leaves a bad taste in your mouth! /i hope IF it happens Watson isas Smart as he is athletic,cause of Grudens Complex System!heavyD wrote Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:02 am:I would trade Carr and a 1st for Watson but it would make Gruden and Mayock’s jobs much more difficult filling out the roster as Watson’s cap hit rises to $40 million in 2022. It would make the Raiders a different team for sure but not necessarily better as I don’t know how the Raiders could ever build a solid defense with so much cap money spent on offense.
From the Texans point of view it would be a hard sell to bring in another Carr after David crashed and burned there. Doesn’t seem like a fit to me.
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He may be pissed but that contract is hard to move. I think he made his point and they will get him more weapons. Despite the record Houston has a lot of talent. I dont see them blowing up the whole teamAttyla wrote Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:31 am:Mark me, Watson will be under center in Houston next year.
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Thanks for the stats. You always seem to have them and I appreciate seeing your accurate stats.chucker wrote Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:35 am:I tried to explain it, but some people keep quoting the $40 million number.
Watson is more than a $40 million cap hit in some years if he stays with the Texans.
If Watson leaves the Texans then part of that cap hit stays with the Texans as dead money so it doesn't hit his new team's cap.
Watson's cap hits to the team that trades for him are:
2021 $10.54 million
2022 $35
2023 $37
2024 $32
2025 $32
So the first two seasons average less than $23 million, more than Carr, but not much more in the world of ridiculous QB money.
The following three seasons average just under $34 million and, unless Carr regresses from his 2020 form this season then he's not going to be signing for less than that. I guess we will get a "bargain" extension if he plays poorly but nobody wants that. Dak got offers from the Cowboys higher than that over a year ago, Jared Goff got over $33 million - Carr won't be the highest paid QB in the game again, but he'll get a lot of money, unless he sucks.
This is a good example of why, when trading for any player, it's not the cap hit to his current team that matters because it can be significantly different.
I do agree though, that trading for Watson is a fantasy I just wanted to describe how the cap hit is sometimes misrepresented. It's the trade compensation that would make the deal too costly, not the contract.
Watson isn't coming to Las Vegas. Like many of the big $$$ NFL stars, he invests in his community. He seems to like the idea of NY, but not Miami. I won't give the stats, but any interested posters can look them up themselves and see why Watson might not like the Miami area.
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Overthecap is a site I trust for accurate information. In 2022, Deshaun's cap hit is $40 in 2022 and $42 million in 2023 as a Texan. I don't know exactly what's his cap hit is when traded to another team but the 2022 and 2023 season you quoted is close to $40 million a season. I believe every fan who doesn't believe their have a franchise will want Watson from every NFL team. There is no indication the Raiders are interested in trading for Watson from at least credible sources. If Watson become tradable, I think at least a dozen teams would be interested in his services. Deshaun Watson has a unique situation in his no trade clause, he will get to pick what team he goes to. He wants to win a Superbowl so I imagine he will want to go to a winning franchise.chucker wrote Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:35 am:I tried to explain it, but some people keep quoting the $40 million number.
Watson is more than a $40 million cap hit in some years if he stays with the Texans.
If Watson leaves the Texans then part of that cap hit stays with the Texans as dead money so it doesn't hit his new team's cap.
Watson's cap hits to the team that trades for him are:
2021 $10.54 million
2022 $35
2023 $37
2024 $32
2025 $32
So the first two seasons average less than $23 million, more than Carr, but not much more in the world of ridiculous QB money.
The following three seasons average just under $34 million and, unless Carr regresses from his 2020 form this season then he's not going to be signing for less than that. I guess we will get a "bargain" extension if he plays poorly but nobody wants that. Dak got offers from the Cowboys higher than that over a year ago, Jared Goff got over $33 million - Carr won't be the highest paid QB in the game again, but he'll get a lot of money, unless he sucks.
This is a good example of why, when trading for any player, it's not the cap hit to his current team that matters because it can be significantly different.
I do agree though, that trading for Watson is a fantasy I just wanted to describe how the cap hit is sometimes misrepresented. It's the trade compensation that would make the deal too costly, not the contract.
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