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  chucker » Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:41 pm

Attyla wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:13 pm:I will care. I am dead serious about this.

I'm not sure why anyone cares this much about a faceless poster on a message board.

If you dislike someone on a message board then, at most, you read the first and last sentences of what they say because that's where bad posters choose to take shots at other posters. I can't say I read much of the middle of what Ivan says, but much of it could be overheard at a local pub near closing time and probably wouldn't carry much weight.

The best way to marginalize a bad poster is to ignore them, instead of replying to everything they say.

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  FLORIDARAYDAH » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:15 pm

chucker wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:41 pm:I'm not sure why anyone cares this much about a faceless poster on a message board.

If you dislike someone on a message board then, at most, you read the first and last sentences of what they say because that's where bad posters choose to take shots at other posters. I can't say I read much of the middle of what Ivan says, but much of it could be overheard at a local pub near closing time and probably wouldn't carry much weight.

The best way to marginalize a bad poster is to ignore them, instead of replying to everything they say.

Ignoring him works great. A few posters jump at his every word and he just posts more. When they are not around he rarely even posts and when he does it's not ridiculous because nobody else will take the bait. I love talking to folks on here but I'm not losing any sleep over any of them. It's like being at a big party you just don't hang out with those you don't like

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  Attyla » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:15 pm

chucker wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:41 pm:I'm not sure why anyone cares this much about a faceless poster on a message board.

If you dislike someone on a message board then, at most, you read the first and last sentences of what they say because that's where bad posters choose to take shots at other posters. I can't say I read much of the middle of what Ivan says, but much of it could be overheard at a local pub near closing time and probably wouldn't carry much weight.

The best way to marginalize a bad poster is to ignore them, instead of replying to everything they say.

that is your opinion. I have read where he is never wrong. OK, if that is the case, he has nothing to fear and nothing to lose. If he is lying, he will refuse the challenge and I will claim a victory which I will repeatedly remind him of every time one of the top 3 QBs in next year's draft start a game in 2026, should I breathe at that time. Make no mistake, he has taken his shots at me and I know his motives. The gauntlet has been thrown down and now I want to see if he is man enough to accept. I doubt he is.

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  TallMarvin » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 pm

ivan is not going anywhere.

every board has people who's sole purpose is to make wild statements and drive board traffic. every. board.

all part of the plan. great gig if you can get it.

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  Attyla » Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:32 pm

we shall see, I have offered the bet, his credibility is on the line. Either he can back his claims and accept or he is a fraud. there is no middle ground.

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  HesterLayes » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:05 pm

I just don’t read his stuff

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  Sold My Soul » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:27 pm

Attyla wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:21 pm:Tell you what Ivan (and yes, you posting in the Carr thread encourages me to look) I will make you a serious bet. You say the first round QBs are busts. I will allow you to put your money where your mouth is....If even one of the top 3 QBs drafted in 2023 are starting in year 3, you stop posting forever. If none of the three is not starting (or number 1 on the depth chart but not starting due to injury) I will do the same. And everyone knows that is quite a thing for me to bet considering. That gives you three years to be right. And by start of 2026 if one is starting, by definition, that means not a bust.

Care to take me up on this or are you going to pretend you never posted that the first round QBs next year are busts and move onto another completely false narrative. How about it, economist? You claim you are never wrong, prove it.

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  crowbar » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:44 pm

Over & over I read that we can get rid of Derek Carr pretty cheap next year against the cap.

What I want to know is if we keep him for 2023 are we obligated to keep him for 2024? (not obligated,but you know)

Meaning,will his contract be guaranteed after 2023? or can we dump him in 2023 with hardly anything against the cap in 2024?

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  16 to 88 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:11 am

TallMarvin wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 pm:ivan is not going anywhere.

every board has people who's sole purpose is to make wild statements and drive board traffic. every. board.

all part of the plan. great gig if you can get it.

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  chucker » Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:41 am

crowbar wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:44 pm:Over & over I read that we can get rid of Derek Carr pretty cheap next year against the cap.

What I want to know is if we keep him for 2023 are we obligated to keep him for 2024? (not obligated,but you know)

Meaning,will his contract be guaranteed after 2023? or can we dump him in 2023 with hardly anything against the cap in 2024?

If we keep Carr for 2023 then $7.5 million of his 2024 salary is guaranteed. So if we cut him in 2024 then the dead money hit is about $12 million when you add on the dead money from his signing bonus.

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  Amish Cabal » Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:52 am

Hellbound wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:02 pm:He did say he could team up with people and win

Yeah, he said he could get with his buddies and win a Super Bowl, but he'll do us a huge favor and grace us, the lowly Raiders, with his omni-presence instead, super nice, awesome and loyal guy that he is.

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  Xramfan » Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:27 am

TallMarvin wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:29 pm:ivan is not going anywhere.

every board has people who's sole purpose is to make wild statements and drive board traffic. every. board.

all part of the plan. great gig if you can get it.

Every board has a couple of members do these bets. Usually resulting in a loser leaving for a few months before returning and then getting called out for returning resulting in more back and forth from each poster and their allies and it goes on and on and on like sand through the hour glass and dysfunctional Raider seasons, these are the days of our lives...

I'm just here for the beer and popcorn

(On a side note, a better bet is a reasonable amount of money put up which the loser has to donate to the charity of the winners choice)

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  Raidernation1979 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:37 am

Xramfan wrote Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:27 am:Every board has a couple of members do these bets. Usually resulting in a loser leaving for a few months before returning and then getting called out for returning resulting in more back and forth from each poster and their allies and it goes on and on and on like sand through the hour glass and dysfunctional Raider seasons, these are the days of our lives...

I'm just here for the beer and popcorn

(On a side note, a better bet is a reasonable amount of money put up which the loser has to donate to the charity of the winners choice)

Any bet on a message board involving 3+ years is ludicrous in and of itself.

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  Attyla » Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:02 am

Raidernation1979 wrote Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:37 am:Any bet on a message board involving 3+ years is ludicrous in and of itself.

the duration is due to the subject matter. Anything less does not establish bust or not. I suppose we could augment the bet to say if in year 2 all three are benched for performance issue (benched as in permanent demotion) I would lose. But the duration also gives Ivan plenty of time to create narratives whereby he gets to back out in his usual fashion.\

As for myself, if I lose, I honor the bet, pure and simple. I am not making this lightly and know what is at stake. It really does not matter though, Ivan cannot accept and he will ignore that these posts exist at all. Oh and for the record, it will also create some interesting conversation if he did accept over the next three years. You all should be thanking me for creating content for your entertainment.

So, Al's Shadow, the ball is in your court. You got the huevos your repeated claims or are you gonna dodge this like every other time calls you for your cliams?

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  3rd and Long » Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:13 am

Ivan already won because he's living rent free....

You sound obsessed with some dude on a message board