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  Attyla » Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:16 pm

identical in every way

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  Raiderfanrich » Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:21 pm

Yes, he played well this week but what are we getting next week? No-one knows. Way too inconsistent for the amount of money he's getting.

We can get his level of production for way cheaper. It makes NOOOO sense to keep him.

It's well past time to move on.

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  Atlasffa » Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:34 pm

Metal toughness is more difficult to achieve and measure than physical prowess, but you know it when you see and hear it. Here's Tom Brady after a tough loss during a tough season: "It's up to us to change the momentum."

https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/stat ... 0346331136

I also heard him today on one of sports show saying he would rather play losing football than not play football at all. My guess is he was answering the unspoken question of whether or not he regrets playing this year.

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  Archaic » Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:22 pm

CWood24 wrote Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:09 pm:At 20m with his play we’d be happy to keep him around but at 40m he is a dead weight

I believe Derek Carr's skill level is that of a $2 million per year veteran back up QB.

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  VEfreak » Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:27 pm

Archaic wrote Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:22 pm:I believe Derek Carr's skill level is that of a $2 million per year veteran back up QB.

His value is basically whatever Andy Dalton is getting paid.

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  signal » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:48 am

Atlasffa wrote Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:34 pm:Metal toughness is more difficult to achieve and measure than physical prowess, but you know it when you see and hear it. Here's Tom Brady after a tough loss during a tough season: "It's up to us to change the momentum."

https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/stat ... 0346331136

I also heard him today on one of sports show saying he would rather play losing football than not play football at all. My guess is he was answering the unspoken question of whether or not he regrets playing this year.

You mean he didn't start crying while throwing other teammates under the bus. Go figure.

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  Attyla » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:17 am

HesterLayes wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:07 am:I don’t hate Carr and I think he is decent.There are many worse QBs playing in today’s game.

My issue is how much he gets paid compared to his production.40 mil next year is absurd. You can get the same or close to the same production from a rook at a fraction of the cost.That’s the issue with Carr.

over the cap has him 9th highest in cap number and 5th in dollars in 2023. In 2024 that cap hit is 5th and his dollars are third overall. That is more money than Josh and Patrick. Good gig if you can get it.

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  Raiders Baby » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:54 am

rich72 wrote Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:25 am: If Carr is the answer what was the question?

What’s the best way to feel frustratingly close to having a franchise QB without actually having one?

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  Amish Cabal » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:27 am

HesterLayes wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:07 am:I don’t hate Carr and I think he is decent.There are many worse QBs playing in today’s game.

My issue is how much he gets paid compared to his production.40 mil next year is absurd. You can get the same or close to the same production from a rook at a fraction of the cost.That’s the issue with Carr.

He's a self-absorbed baby and always has been. ANYTHING but a leader. An anti-Raider. Not sure who's the bigger shit stain on this franchise, him or Markie.

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  June510 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:32 am

HesterLayes wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:07 am:I don’t hate Carr and I think he is decent.There are many worse QBs playing in today’s game.

My issue is how much he gets paid compared to his production.40 mil next year is absurd. You can get the same or close to the same production from a rook at a fraction of the cost.That’s the issue with Carr.

I don't hate him either, his fans are annoying though. He's a decent QB, who will flash elite skills and then play like the worst QB in the league the next game.

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  live.B.A.raida » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:58 am

June510 wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:32 am:I don't hate him either, his fans are annoying though. He's a decent QB, who will flash elite skills and then play like the worst QB in the league the next game.

And when he does play like crap his fans either crawl back under their rock or blame any and everyone other than Carr for his performance…

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  kramNAVILLUS » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:01 am

Carr Cap Hit by year:

2022: $19.375M
2023: $34.875M (dead cap $5.625M)
2024: $43.875M (dead cap $3.750M)
2025: $43.175M (dead cap $1.875M)

Don't see a $40M+ cap hit until 2024 with minimal dead cap starting 2023 - that was the point of the extension. Reading comprehension was mentioned earlier in this thread. Maybe some research is needed prior to posting as well. Here are several links that can help with that.

Carr Salary Breakdown:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-r ... e%20Clause

Full QB Salary Breakdown:
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback

2022 QB salary Breakdown:
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022

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  352Raider » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:42 am

kramNAVILLUS wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:01 am:Carr Cap Hit by year:

2022: $19.375M
2023: $34.875M (dead cap $5.625M)
2024: $43.875M (dead cap $3.750M)
2025: $43.175M (dead cap $1.875M)

Don't see a $40M+ cap hit until 2024 with minimal dead cap starting 2023 - that was the point of the extension. Reading comprehension was mentioned earlier in this thread. Maybe some research is needed prior to posting as well. Here are several links that can help with that.

Carr Salary Breakdown:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-r ... e%20Clause

Full QB Salary Breakdown:
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback

2022 QB salary Breakdown:
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022

Please do the math on the following sentence from your link https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/las-vegas-r ... e%20Clause :
2023 salary ($32,900,000) + $7.5M of 2024 salary fully guarantees 2/15/2023 (injury guaranteed at signing)= $40,400,000

Contract Notes:
$24.9M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2022 salary)
2023 salary + $7.5M of 2024 salary fully guarantees 2/15/2023 (injury guaranteed at signing)
Full No Trade Clause

(Reading Comprehension was indeed mentioned earlier in the thread)