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Raidernation1979 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:35 am
Playcalling due to personnel and game situations doesn’t mean a change in scheme. There was a game last year the patriots threw the ball 3 times against the bills. We’ve seen the patriots use different personnel packages over the last 10-15 years based on personnel from more receivers to more TEs. Josh has run this system for 10+ years. So I think to say this is a different offense than Jones played in last year is dishonest. McDaniels has spread it out and brought it tight. I’ve seen plenty of both this year. That’s what made the patriots so good they went with matchups week to week more so than anything else. I don’t see him changing thatAttyla wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:29 am:to be honest, we are not running a spread offense. We are being forced at times to deviate from the process due to in game adjustments, but he is trying to make us a run first offense. It does appear it is based on the EP schemes but we fall back into our own ineptitude all too quickly forcing us to move to more of a spread (kinda of) offense
sooperkool » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:19 am
I think we're saying somewhat of the same thing and getting hung up on terminology so let me clarify. You're saying that McD is running the same offense he has for 10 years and is E-P. My contention is that you can call half of the offenses E-P these days because the use it;s terminology to run whatever scheme they want. This is what E-P was first designed to do to make it so a QB can run to the line and simply call out "Ice Cream" or some other word combo to mean "Split-Right 43 Option on 1 Waggle left motion" under the Route tree system.Hellbound » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:26 am
Im just bustin ballssrv5490 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:31 pm:Sooperkool has been here a long time, and this is the first time I recall him mentioning this - pretty remarkable restraint given the context of the discussions here. I've argued with him many times and he never pulled this card and got high-handed.
Jeremyturner1976 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 am
It doesn't change the fact that Mac Jones as a rookie matched Carr's numbers in Carr's 4th year in the Gruden system.sooperkool wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:19 am:I think we're saying somewhat of the same thing and getting hung up on terminology so let me clarify. You're saying that McD is running the same offense he has for 10 years and is E-P. My contention is that you can call half of the offenses E-P these days because the use it;s terminology to run whatever scheme they want. This is what E-P was first designed to do to make it so a QB can run to the line and simply call out "Ice Cream" or some other word combo to mean "Split-Right 43 Option on 1 Waggle left motion" under the Route tree system.
So here is my point again clearer:
NE was mostly, E-P terminology for an Air raid/Cory base offense based upon it's most popular concepts that are run
Now it's:
E-P terminology for a Spread 4 with Power concepts offense.
sooperkool » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 am
I didn't mention anything about Carr in my posts because it was never my mission to defend him, just wanted to clear up what offense we're actually running as a team.Jeremyturner1976 wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 am:It doesn't change the fact that Mac Jones as a rookie matched Carr's numbers in Carr's 4th year in the Gruden system.
Nor does it change the fact that Carr is sucking ass this year with a remarkably similar system to the one Mac Jones learned in an offseason.
9th year yet worse than a rookie, who is surprised? Not I. Carr is a mental midget.
Jeremyturner1976 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:45 am
I feel it.sooperkool wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:40 am:I didn't mention anything about Carr in my posts because it was never my mission to defend him, just wanted to clear up what offense we'reactually running as a team.
CWood24 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:55 am
From what i’ve seen it was a modified EP scheme he tan in NE last year that i’ve seen called Air Erhardt from players & coaches that watch the gameAttyla wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:29 am:to be honest, we are not running a spread offense. We are being forced at times to deviate from the process due to in game adjustments, but he is trying to make us a run first offense. It does appear it is based on the EP schemes but we fall back into our own ineptitude all too quickly forcing us to move to more of a spread (kinda of) offense
June510 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:02 am
I think it's a lack of confidence.Commit2Excel wrote Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:46 am:Yes, and you have to believe that NFL coaches have tried to correct these issues. Perhaps Carr has a high opinion of himself and is not humble enough to take the coaching to heart and work on fixing these glaring errors in his mechanics. He doesn't seem to sweat the details of his own performance. Very disappointing and it is clearly time to pull the plug. Josh has to see that or he will go down with Carr.
Jeremyturner1976 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 am
I am still pissed at Gruden for picking Carr over Brady.live.B.A.raida » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:57 am
That mother*ucker ?!!!Jeremyturner1976 wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 am:I am still pissed at Gruden for picking Carr over Brady.
NoThanksSir » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:59 am
There is no way Gruden's douchebag mini-dictator way of running things would have jived with Brady. He needed an obedient idiot like Carr to boss around.Jeremyturner1976 wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:40 am:I am still pissed at Gruden for picking Carr over Brady.
signal » Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:35 am
Anyone who simply watches the games can see that the main problem is simply poorly thrown balls. He has thrown INTs that could have been TDs. He has missed a wide open TE in the endzone that should have been a TD. When the offense simply needed one first down to burn a bit of clock, he missed wildly on his throws. This is not some complex schematic thing that has Carr confused, this is him missing wide open WRs and creating turnovers for the other team. This is not complex.Jeremyturner1976 wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:34 am:It doesn't change the fact that Mac Jones as a rookie matched Carr's numbers in Carr's 4th year in the Gruden system.
Nor does it change the fact that Carr is sucking ass this year with a remarkably similar system to the one Mac Jones learned in an offseason.
More excuses for 'why Carr sucks', which is just white noise at this point. He should try not sucking.
Oaktownonly » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:19 pm
Sooperkool, I'm impressed with your football knowledge. If you're a bullshitter, I say I'd have to be impressed with that also.Arsenal Raider » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:32 pm
To be fair, I'm glad we didn't draft that hobbit. Would have taken Bosa in a heartbeat though.NoThanksSir wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:59 am:There is no way Gruden's douchebag mini-dictator way of running things would have jived with Brady. He needed an obedient idiot like Carr to boss around.
For me there were so many opportunities to move on from Carr.
We lost 5 straight games in 2018 with Carr looking damn near inept every step of the way. The Cardinals game was when we all understood the season was completely lost, but instead of benching the chosen one, we won 3 of our last 7, avoiding Kyler Murray.
2018 is still the most disturbing season from Gruden personally. It basically confirmed every single issue I had with him as a coach, and it was year 1. After that, the Brady situation isn't surprising, at all.
NoThanksSir » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:52 pm
I'm not a huge fan of Kyler but he is twice the QB Carr is. And that's all that really matters.Arsenal Raider wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:32 pm:To be fair, I'm glad we didn't draft that hobbit. Would have taken Bosa in a heartbeat though.