Atlasffa » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 pm
We really have no definitive proof that Davis has been the one saving Carr year after year. I think Gruden wanted him. When your team has a middling QB it leaves you with weird to poor options. I also doubt he has the support of the locker room. My guess is they like him as a person, but liking him and following him as leader are two different things. Personally, I would be stunned if my QB reacted to losing by crying at the podium, not because of showing emotion but also the words that were said. If he hadn't lost the locker before that, it might have been the straw. Did the press give him a participation trophy that day? Atta boy! Lots of clicks!16 to 88 wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:52 pm:Something I failed to mention is I doubt highly he has the support of the locker room. If anything they would love to see him gone. Davis would obviously know this as well...
sdraider85 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:34 pm
And a gopher killer. We call it 4th and gopher.Opoponax50 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 pm
I honestly don't see the problem with that. If Stidham fails spectacularly, then we know we don't have a starter or a backup in him and we're sitting at 1 or 2 in the draft. If he comes in and wins, say 2 games, then he's backup material and our draft position is still good. If he goes on a tear and wins out, then all of a sudden we have our starter.Archaic wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:34 pm:Carr is done. I say bench him (or release him from the team) now and see what Stidham can do for the next 7 games. This way the Raiders will know whether Stidham is skilled enough to be the 2023 starter.
deathstar » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:46 pm
I actually don't have a problem with Derek Carr crying but it was him complaining about taking medicine so he can sleep better. Joe Montana, Alex Smith there might be more that almost lost their lives playing football. Derek Carr complains about it but still makes $30-$40 million. Come on Derek, just win baby. The next game is important for the psyche of the team, either leadership on this team help to win or more player don't give a shit and lose.Atlasffa wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 pm:We really have no definitive proof that Davis has been the one saving Carr year after year. I think Gruden wanted him. When your team has a middling QB it leaves you with weird to poor options. I also doubt he has the support of the locker room. My guess is they like him as a person, but liking him and following him as leader are two different things. Personally, I would be stunned if my QB reacted to losing by crying at the podium, not because of showing emotion but also the words that were said. If he hadn't lost the locker before that, it might have been the straw. Did the press give him a participation trophy that day? Atta boy! Lots of clicks!
ELCAraiderfan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:59 am
Then draft another quarterback in 24'. Hell man there's no rule saying you can't. Draft one in 23' and then another one in 24' if need be, then another one in 25' until they hit the jackpot. You've got to have a very good to great QB in pro football and there's no way around it. Unless you have a 85' bears D and those don't happen very often. The main and mandatory point is they have got to cut that gutless, crybaby finally. Period. That is the top priority. Nothing else is even close to this.Atlasffa wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:27 pm:The timing is right in terms of the contract, but I'm not yet convinced the timing is right for the QB talent available in the top tier of the draft. Lots of draft gurus out there saying they think the 2024 QBs will offer better players. What do we have in Stidham--can he be a one-year bridge? Will there be any worthwhile QB free agents next year? There is still lots of college ball left, maybe someone will clearly stand out above the rest. So many variables. QB hell sucks.
16 to 88 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:30 am
What about 1st and gopher?sdraider85 wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:34 pm:And a gopher killer. We call it 4th and gopher.
16 to 88 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:36 am
Yes to all of this.Atlasffa wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 pm:We really have no definitive proof that Davis has been the one saving Carr year after year. I think Gruden wanted him. When your team has a middling QB it leaves you with weird to poor options. I also doubt he has the support of the locker room. My guess is they like him as a person, but liking him and following him as leader are two different things. Personally, I would be stunned if my QB reacted to losing by crying at the podium, not because of showing emotion but also the words that were said. If he hadn't lost the locker before that, it might have been the straw. Did the press give him a participation trophy that day? Atta boy! Lots of clicks!
Willmark » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:10 am
Sure but that then becomes "paralysis by analysis". That in looking at all the variables over and over again you can't make a decision.Atlasffa wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:27 pm:The timing is right in terms of the contract, but I'm not yet convinced the timing is right for the QB talent available in the top tier of the draft. Lots of draft gurus out there saying they think the 2024 QBs will offer better players. What do we have in Stidham--can he be a one-year bridge? Will there be any worthwhile QB free agents next year? There is still lots of college ball left, maybe someone will clearly stand out above the rest. So many variables. QB hell sucks.
Willmark » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:12 am
I'm not sure if the Staff knows either, but our owner sure doesn't after he was in denial about the 2021 campaign in the early off season.signal wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:24 pm:Agree. Not sure the staff know it or not but this season is done.
Willmark » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:17 am
I have no definitive proof either but as a guess?Atlasffa wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 pm:We really have no definitive proof that Davis has been the one saving Carr year after year. I think Gruden wanted him. When your team has a middling QB it leaves you with weird to poor options. I also doubt he has the support of the locker room. My guess is they like him as a person, but liking him and following him as leader are two different things. Personally, I would be stunned if my QB reacted to losing by crying at the podium, not because of showing emotion but also the words that were said. If he hadn't lost the locker before that, it might have been the straw. Did the press give him a participation trophy that day? Atta boy! Lots of clicks!
Willmark » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:24 am
I've been saying this for years, Bravo! We should be drafting a QB every 1-3 years. QB is an extremely finite resource, good ones that is. As I always say there are not enough good ones to go around as is. And if you hit on one you don't "need" and another team wants him? Kings ransom of draft picks. And with the way we draft we need more of those too because historically speaking we don't draft well. More draft picks helps mitigate that.ELCAraiderfan wrote Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:59 am:Then draft another quarterback in 24'. Hell man there's no rule saying you can't. Draft one in 23' and then another one in 24' if need be, then another one in 25' until they hit the jackpot. You've got to have a very good to great QB in pro football and there's no way around it. Unless you have a 85' bears D and those don't happen very often. The main and mandatory point is they have got to cut that gutless, crybaby finally. Period. That is the top priority. Nothing else is even close to this.
Be_Easy_25 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:08 am
Excellent perspective.Amish Cabal wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:05 am:Hate when opposing fans are right.
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Excellent perspective.Amish Cabal wrote Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:05 am:Hate when opposing fans are right.
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BlackShield » Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:24 am
ahhh, pastorini vs plunkett. my introduction to raider football. the memories...16 to 88 wrote Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:36 am:Yes to all of this.
I have been saying since at least 18 that I felt the team wasn't thrilled with him. An absolutely, their is a difference between liking someone as an individual and as the QB of your team. Pastorini v. Plunkett
The team responded under Plunkett because they knew he was the much better of the two and possibly because he was more likable as well.
Twoutrally » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:23 pm
11-6 vs Broncos’s give it up haters! At this point and after all theses posts there is no other word.