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Fade2SilverAndBlack » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:25 am
^^^This^^^Attyla wrote Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:34 am:we resign him because he is a Raider icon?
um....hell no, he earns it the rest of this year and next year.
ImaginBreaker » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:33 pm
Don't agree with that. You can be an icon to a team without being a hall of famer. Plenty of players like that in all sports.Fade2SilverAndBlack wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:25 am:^^^This^^^
And I don't consider Carr an Icon and never will be....
Icon's make the HOF....
Attyla » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:36 pm
we had a few. University of Mars and Otis Sistrunk comes to mind. Gannon might even be an icon depending on your definition.ImaginBreaker wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:33 pm:Don't agree with that. You can be an icon to a team without being a hall of famer. Plenty of players like that in all sports.
FlyBono24 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:43 pm
You mean the TEAM has an 8-7 record vs. the Broncos????Aqua wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:31 pm:Carr's record against the Broncos is 8 wins, 7 losses.
CWood24 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:00 pm
So it is not a team game then because we have been fed this narrative that we can’t judge an individual on stats & performance because it is a team gameFlyBono24 wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:43 pm:You mean the TEAM has an 8-7 record vs. the Broncos????
Carr actually has a 94 QBR vs. the Broncos: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/derek- ... vs-broncos
"Derek Carr has a passer rating of 93.9 with 3,285 yards, 16 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 14 games versus the Broncos in his career."
FlyBono24 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:13 pm
I've never put a loss, or a win, fully on the QB.CWood24 wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:00 pm:So it is not a team game then because we have been fed this narrative that we can’t judge an individual on stats & performance because it is a team game
ImaginBreaker » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:15 pm
Believe me. I agree with that. I never really get enamored by a player. I'm full team loyalty. If you suck or greedy, get out.Attyla wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:36 pm:we had a few. University of Mars and Otis Sistrunk comes to mind. Gannon might even be an icon depending on your definition.
But you do not pay guys just for being icons, that is just silly
CWood24 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:25 pm
Carr jobs is to win that is all, thats is every players job to winFlyBono24 wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:13 pm:I've never put a loss, or a win, fully on the QB.
But Carr has more than done his job as shown by these stats.
Let's see how many yards & points the defense gave up in those losses?
NoThanksSir » Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:03 pm
The W/L argument is kind of a gross oversimplification. If you're running a company everyone's job is to make money. But specific job titles and their own individual performances can and are judged despite the bottom line. You try to analyze where and how the company is losing money, and address that. You don't go to the one guy who is doing his job correctly and fire him before you cut the bums that are hemorrhaging funds on the daily.RaiderandBulldog » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:21 pm
Good articleAttyla » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:58 am
one and only when someone is running around from thread to thread bringing up Carrchucker wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:31 pm:"the one and only" thread?
That wasn't the point when we locked the last one. Good effort though
SkullCrusher » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:21 am
Fade2SilverAndBlack wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:25 am:^^^This^^^
And I don't consider Carr an Icon and never will be....
Icon's make the HOF....
I know a couple of players that breaks this idea. Jack Tatum. Bo Jackson.ImaginBreaker wrote Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:33 pm:Don't agree with that. You can be an icon to a team without being a hall of famer. Plenty of players like that in all sports.
raiders93 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:12 pm
If the new coach and/or GM (if it’s not mayock) believe he’s their guy they’ll likely pay whatever they need to… and he’ll likely accept a deal that gives him a sizeable raise without pushing the envelope to be near the very top of the pay scale.Lamonica_D wrote Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:42 am:We extend him just based on him being a Raider icon.
I'm done with QB carousel. I like what we have going.
Carr will give hometown discount and Raiders won't insult him.
35m a year is a steal.