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Raider87 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:11 am
Hard to compare different eras, not to mention different situations and total team setups.CWood24 wrote Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:58 pm:I want to be accurate here so what i’ll say is that Carr’s second half play has been mostly sensational & out of this world his 1 half displays well not so much but we have hope that that is a thing of the past & may have been a Gruden thing.
I’d say the above was a pretty accurate statement
As for Carr being a Raider 4 Life we’ll see on that but in all reality he is probably 5th on the all time QB list
Stabler won us a SB & multiple divisional titles
Plunkett stepped in & won us 2, he might be one of the greatest backups in history although by right he probably never should’ve been
Gannon took us to a SB & again won us a few divisional titles
Lamonica won us a AFL championship, took us to another championship game in a losing wffort & kept the team relevant
So for me until Carr get us to the playoffs again & makes us consistent winners he lies 5th no matter the stats
Raiderman4 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 am
Lol we all know that if any of these players played today they would not be better then Derek. A lot of these players would end up getting absolutely destroyed.CWood24 wrote Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:58 pm:I want to be accurate here so what i’ll say is that Carr’s second half play has been mostly sensational & out of this world his 1 half displays well not so much but we have hope that that is a thing of the past & may have been a Gruden thing.
I’d say the above was a pretty accurate statement
As for Carr being a Raider 4 Life we’ll see on that but in all reality he is probably 5th on the all time QB list
Stabler won us a SB & multiple divisional titles
Plunkett stepped in & won us 2, he might be one of the greatest backups in history although by right he probably never should’ve been
Gannon took us to a SB & again won us a few divisional titles
Lamonica won us a AFL championship, took us to another championship game in a losing wffort & kept the team relevant
So for me until Carr get us to the playoffs again & makes us consistent winners he lies 5th no matter the stats
Aqua » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:10 am
Speak for yourself, please.Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 am:Lol we all know that if any of these players played today they would not be better then Derek.
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352Raider » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:12 am
Wtf people…when’s the last time Ben Heeny played in a capacity to help any qb…not just Dereka. Let’s get real…yeah someone’s borracho for sureRaiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 am:Lol we all know that if any of these players played today they would not be better then Derek. A lot of these players would end up getting absolutely destroyed.
All of those players played on legendary raider teams with hall of fame players. Carr has played football with people like Ben Heeny
CWood24 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:06 am
Really? You serious…Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 am:Lol we all know that if any of these players played today they would not be better then Derek. A lot of these players would end up getting absolutely destroyed.
All of those players played on legendary raider teams with hall of fame players. Carr has played football with people like Ben Heeny
Raiderman4 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:14 am
I am serious I really don't think any of those players would be able to do what Carr is doing now.CWood24 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:06 am:Really? You serious…
You think that Snake wouldn't be better in an era where no one can touch him or his WR’s, he would thrive especially with the way todays player have to prepare & condition
Actually all those players would actually benefit from todays rules
Raiderman4 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:24 am
Well can you name a worse teammate any of those other players have played with?352Raider wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:12 am:Wtf people…when’s the last time Ben Heeny played in a capacity to help any qb…not just Dereka. Let’s get real…yeah someone’s borracho for sure
Aqua » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:49 am
You seem to be focused on entire rosters, so consider that a major part of the QB position is getting the most out the team's roster.Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:24 am:]Well can you name a worse teammate any of those other players have played with?
Raiderman4 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:38 am
I don't disagree with any of this. I just think that in the modern nfl they wouldn't be as successful. You have to throw it waaaaaay more these days and their career numbers don't support the fact that they would be able to do that.Aqua wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:49 am:You seem to be focused on entire rosters, so consider that a major part of the QB position is getting the most out the team's roster.
For example, in the current NFL Brady, Tannehill, and Stafford are getting wins with the essentially the same rosters that the Bucs, Titans, and Rams had before those QB's arrived.
Stabler was sensational at getting the most out of his teammates. Plunkett got wins out of the Raiders, including two Super Bowls, by replacing QB's who could not get it done with the same roster Plunkett had.
Raidernation1979 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:05 am
Can’t use numbers to compare eras. The rules and the game were vastly different 20 years ago let alone 40.Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:38 am: I don't disagree with any of this. I just think that in the modern nfl they wouldn't be as successful. You have to throw it waaaaaay more these days and their career numbers don't support the fact that they would be able to do that.
Not saying they definitely wouldn't be able to. I just have doubts.
signal » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:01 am
Agree the game has changed too much. IF you had to compare players from different eras, the only way to do it, is to compare how each player dominated their own contemporaries. It is unfair for several reasons to compare the numbers of a QB playing in the 70s to a QB playing in 2020s. Rather you look at how dominant they were in their time and what they were able to accomplish against their contemporaries and see which player rose more above the sea of mediocrity in their own time.Raidernation1979 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:05 am:Can’t use numbers to compare eras. The rules and the game were vastly different 20 years ago let alone 40.
Aqua » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:01 am
I think the common belief that the "NFL is now passing League" is a bit misleading. For example, lots of NFL teams are using dink-3-yard-passing plays in lieu of runs from scrimmage. Also, the recent popularity of prevent defenses means that nearly all QB's are able to rack up lots of passes/yards.Raidernation1979 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:05 am:Can’t use numbers to compare eras. The rules and the game were vastly different 20 years ago let alone 40.
RaiderandBulldog » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:50 pm
https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/ ... 5805936647Attyla » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:52 pm
no offense but this stupid. If Stabler played today, he would have all the advantages Carr has, as in the best medical, the best training, the best information systems and would have the guts and toughness to add on. You are assuming that Stabler is a relic who would have been living in the 60s and playing today. He would have had all the advantages Carr has but would have been StablerRaiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:48 am:Lol we all know that if any of these players played today they would not be better then Derek. A lot of these players would end up getting absolutely destroyed.
All of those players played on legendary raider teams with hall of fame players. Carr has played football with people like Ben Heeny
Arsenal Raider » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:59 pm
I wish they hadn't cut that clip into the beginning preview, because I agree it's the most boring part of the whole thing. I mostly posted this for the funny family stories.Aqua wrote Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:34 am:Carr's play on the field this season has been sensational, no doubt about that. And I get that he is a positive attitude-positive thinker type of guy, which is cool. But I've never liked him talking about how hard we works, And this video with his nephew (s) prompting him to talk about his work ethic and current contract situation seems contrived