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Rainman56 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:57 am
And there ya have it "There's a different clock in the game because now I'm getting hitGoodTimeCharlie wrote Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:49 pm:HENDERSON, Nev. -- The Las Vegas Raiders' Derek Carr, acknowledged Wednesday that he is still getting accustomed to first-year coach Josh McDaniels' system.
"I feel so much more comfortable than I did, like, a month ago," said Carr, whose QBR of 40.6 through two games is his lowest since his rookie year of 2014.
"I mean, when you get out there and you do it, it's different from the sideline. Training camp's different, right? There's a different clock in the game because now I'm getting hit.” —Paul Gutierrez
Xramfan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:09 am
Is that a turtle head clock or prairie dog clock?Rainman56 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:57 am:And there ya have it "There's a different clock in the game because now I'm getting hit
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sooperkool » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:52 pm
We're both correct.Raidernation1979 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:16 am:It’s a variation of the Earhart Perkins. Same as the original west coast doesn’t exist anymore. Every single article involving McDaniels philosophy says Modified EP. Everything has adapted both offensively and defensively. Unless you have evidence to the contrary I’ll stand by my statement based on many articles I’ve read
Raidernation1979 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:22 pm
Yes. It’s a modified EP. However I’m not sure why you think McDaniels would coach one offense for 10+ years and abandon that in one off season. It’s always been multiple. From a spread concept to 3 TEs. We have seen the patriots use the players to make the offense.sooperkool wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:52 pm:We're both correct.
Bellichik doesn't currently use the Ernhardt-Perkins offense, E-P is a run first, ground and pound offense, he uses it as a system for calling plays: "With the help of his assistants, Belichick’s primary innovation was to go from an Erhardt-Perkins offense to an Erhardt-Perkins system, built on its method of organizing and naming plays.", "This is how, using the terminology and framework of what was once thought to be the league’s least progressive offensive system, Brady and Belichick built one of the most consistently dynamic and explosive offenses in NFL history." For a while he used an Air Raid/Coryell offense but E-P terminology.
Mcdaniel as I said uses a spread with power concepts offense, coming from NE his terminology is structured like E-P but it's not the same thing as running it. His running game is power concepts: "Under McDaniels, the Raiders will likely move to a more gap-heavy scheme based more on power and getting blockers downfield than Greg Olson’s zone running game." As far as passing it's a spread and one of the most complex ones out there. Even Davante Adams thinks so: “It’s a lot of routes that I never ran before, different concepts, just a whole new feel,” Adams said. “It’s a pretty complex offense for sure. It’s probably the most complex one I’ve ever been a part of.” McDaniels offense is no longer E-P except for using similar terminology because it allows for plays to be called dar more quickly than the numbered route tree system used by other offensive concepts.
Sources:
E-P System usage
https://grantland.com/features/how-term ... -patriots/
Air Raid/Coryell usage
https://archive.nytimes.com/fifthdown.b ... triots-go/
Mcdaniels' offensive philosophy
https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/ ... rt-of.html
Anecdotally, I can recognize the play calls myself since I played in this system in college as well as study it at work all day..
sooperkool » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:21 pm
I respect the fact that you aren't talking out of your ass but you're missing the forest for the trees...E-P was a heavy run first , pass over the top offense that no one runs vanilla anymore and most teams that run it use it as a system for it's terminology not as an offense itself but a shell for the concepts they want to run. i know this because analyzing it is part of what i get paid to do everyday and we also ran it when i was in college. And since this is the Carr bash thread I'm not going to keep belaboring the point derailing the thread furtherRaidernation1979 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:22 pm:Yes. It’s a modified EP. However I’m not sure why you think McDaniels would coach one offense for 10+ years and abandon that in one off season. It’s always been multiple. From a spread concept to 3 TEs. We have seen the patriots use the players to make the offense.
This is the same offense that the patriots ran last year. Will it be tweaked? Of course. We have different personnel.
This article mentions the patriots completely changing systems without McDaniels. But McDaniels came up under Weiss
https://www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp ... -mcdaniels
This article mentions how McDaniels, Weiss and o brien all run the same system. Modified EP
https://www.patriots.com/news/nfl-notes ... -be-missed
BoJacksonRules » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:26 pm
Sooperkool, Sounds like you have a super kool jobHellbound » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:30 pm
It's so awesome that he had to mention that he ran the system in college and anazlyze it twice to make sure we all knew!BoJacksonRules wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:26 pm:Sooperkool, Sounds like you have a super kool job
ELCAraiderfan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:55 pm
Don't disrespect Archie Manning throwing him in with this coward named carr. Archie was a helluva QB, but just drafted by the worst team in NFL history.....at that time. If he goes to a good team he's a certified HOF matieral.Attyla wrote Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:48 pm:The closest you come is David Carr who got 5 years, and then maybe Archie Manning? Archie lasted longer and never had a winning season. 10 years and part of an 11th. With the Raiders, the closest I can come to what Derek has experienced is Jano. He was either loved or viewed with various levels of indifference.
srv5490 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:31 pm
Sooperkool has been here a long time, and this is the first time I recall him mentioning this - pretty remarkable restraint given the context of the discussions here. I've argued with him many times and he never pulled this card and got high-handed.Hellbound wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:30 pm:It's so awesome that he had to mention that he ran the system in college and anazlyze it twice to make sure we all knew!
Raider727 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:02 pm
I've never been paid to analyze plays, but I used create my own plays on Madden and won the Superbowl with Carr as a rookie on All-Madden. So basically I'm the only person who can design plays for Carr to succeed and win a Lombardi with, but I've never pulled this card because I'm humble.srv5490 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:31 pm:Sooperkool has been here a long time, and this is the first time I recall him mentioning this - pretty remarkable restraint given the context of the discussions here. I've argued with him many times and he never pulled this card and got high-handed.
sooperkool » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:32 am
It can be boring and tedious at times like any other but it has won me a few fantasy football seasonsBoJacksonRules wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:26 pm:Sooperkool, Sounds like you have a super kool job
Attyla » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:21 am
he has mentioned it before but he does not use it to win arguments much.srv5490 wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:31 pm:Sooperkool has been here a long time, and this is the first time I recall him mentioning this - pretty remarkable restraint given the context of the discussions here. I've argued with him many times and he never pulled this card and got high-handed.
Raidernation1979 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:33 am
Yes I’ve used the word hybrid multiple times. Nobody uses a specific system alone anymore. They are all hybrids. The patriots last year were about 48/52% run Vs pass.sooperkool wrote Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:21 pm:I respect the fact that you aren't talking out of your ass but you're missing the forest for the trees...E-P was a heavy run first , pass over the top offense that no one runs vanilla anymore and most teams that run it use it as a system for it's terminology not as an offense itself but a shell for the concepts they want to run. i know this because analyzing it is part of what i get paid to do everyday and we also ran it when i was in college. And since this is the Carr bash thread I'm not going to keep belaboring the point derailing the thread further
Attyla » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:29 am
to be honest, we are not running a spread offense. We are being forced at times to deviate from the process due to in game adjustments, but he is trying to make us a run first offense. It does appear it is based on the EP schemes but we fall back into our own ineptitude all too quickly forcing us to move to more of a spread (kinda of) offenseRaidernation1979 wrote Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:33 am:Yes I’ve used the word hybrid multiple times. Nobody uses a specific system alone anymore. They are all hybrids. The patriots last year were about 48/52% run Vs pass.
This all started when you said jokes didn’t play in the same system last year that Carr is this year. My real question is why would McDaniels completely switch the offense he was brought up in and ran for his whole career? I’ve seen no mention of him switching systems anywhere. So bring this back to our current qb. Please show where McDaniels is running a new system this year?