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  mranquales » Sat May 14, 2022 2:04 am

rich72 wrote Fri May 13, 2022 8:29 pm:Id say is a bigger version of jerry porter.

Porter was an incredible route runner (under the wing of Rice and Brown) and could break tackles. Porter would have had a 10x better career if not for our terrible QB situation in that era.

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  Attyla » Sat May 14, 2022 4:44 am

RAIDERS1967 wrote Sat May 14, 2022 1:28 am: We are taking about the DRAFT PICKS , nothing else. That has nothing to do with the status of the team at that time. The 1976 picks were worst.

2020 was worse in one respect. We should have known more. We had more resources. And we had far greater need so getting it right was paramount.

in 76, we had like 4 college scouts and grainy film to watch. It is actually amazing we fielded such good teams because of that and a lack of free agency to build off of.

And the word you were looking for was "worse" not "worst." Unless you were saying it was the "worst" in which case you would use the syntax "was the worst."

just saying

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  CWood24 » Sat May 14, 2022 7:00 am

fellow59 wrote Fri May 13, 2022 4:49 pm:Fit is a shitty fan excuse. The guy was a good player. There's no compelling argument that he was some kind of terrible fit. The guy was the 4th best receiver on the team, young, and cheap. It was a crummy trade.

Fit is everything in any sport

It was a good trade as Edwards doesn't fit what we’re doing & 100% didn't fit with our safety first QB

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  Attyla » Sat May 14, 2022 7:20 am

CWood24 wrote Sat May 14, 2022 7:00 am:Fit is everything in any sport

It was a good trade as Edwards doesn't fit what we’re doing & 100% didn't fit with our safety first QB

first I agree, fit matters a lot. Second, I agree, it was a good trade.

third, Edwards was not a good player, he was given the chance to step up after Ruggs was eliminated and Waller was eliminated and he laid a huge egg. He had 2 games with zero catches and a whopping 2 TDs. If he were in fact good, his stats would have gone up. Especially since he was not being double teamed most the time.

We do this shit every time, we make a mediocre player into a good player when the evidence should give us a reality check.

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  chucker » Sat May 14, 2022 7:47 am

Personally I would have preferred to keep Edwards, although I understand that it would have been difficult to get him on the field. I think working in a group with Adams (with a similar profile) would have benefitted him a lot. I don't like giving up too early on players, especially WRs. Davante Adams was considered a bust after his second year, and then turned into one of the best in the game. I was looking forward to seeing if Edwards could make strides by learning from Adams.

I do think that Edwards' lack of time on ST was a major contributor in this though. If a WR is not among your teams top three targets - he probably needs to contribute on ST and there is no way that Edwards was going to be in a conversation with Adams, Renfrow and Waller with respect to targets barring injury. A RB might then be next on the list.

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  Attyla » Sat May 14, 2022 7:52 am

chucker wrote Sat May 14, 2022 7:47 am:Personally I would have preferred to keep Edwards, although I understand that it would have been difficult to get him on the field. I think working in a group with Adams (with a similar profile) would have benefitted him a lot. I don't like giving up too early on players, especially WRs. Davante Adams was considered a bust after his second year, and then turned into one of the best in the game. I was looking forward to seeing if Edwards could make strides by learning from Adams.

I do think that Edwards' lack of time on ST was a major contributor in this though. If a WR is not among your teams top three targets - he probably needs to contribute on ST and there is no way that Edwards was going to be in a conversation with Adams, Renfrow and Waller with respect to targets barring injury. A RB might then be next on the list.

this is not unexpected when you clean house. I am actually surprised at some of the players who were retained, particularly on defense.

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  NoClapsPlease » Sat May 14, 2022 8:16 am

rich72 wrote Fri May 13, 2022 11:46 pm:BS he had like a 17 YPC. Maybe carr just didnt see him on the field because he doesnt go through progressions.

Hahaha

The volume was low because the guy can’t separate. He couldn’t get open in college, not sure why anyone thought he would in the NFL. His measurements are the only reason he’s in the NFL. Someone needs to tell him to convert to a TE or hang up the cleats.

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  SkullCrusher » Sat May 14, 2022 8:24 am

Jeevo wrote Fri May 13, 2022 5:11 pm:We have 3 hundred catch guys to feed and McD uses his backs and doesn't run a lot of 3 wr sets. Edwards would have been the #4 or 5 option.

Yeah he was a tweaner and with what we should replace him with 2 WR types, the blocking WR and the burner, each bringing their strength to the called play vs them being a volume wr. Assuming the Raiders don't plan to pay 4 high-end targets.

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  fellow59 » Sat May 14, 2022 8:44 am

BoKnows81 wrote Fri May 13, 2022 6:28 pm:Stop. Bryan Edwards is hot garbage. Cole and Robinson are for sure better. It was a steal of a trade

This is nonsense - Cole has had 6 seasons with only 2 of them comparable to what Edwards did in his one non-injury season. There is little to no reason to think Cole is better and zero reason to call Edwards garbage. Steal? Yeah, we were robbed at least a couple rounds - we should have gotten a 3rd at a minimum.

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  Attyla » Sat May 14, 2022 8:46 am

a third for a guy who caught 34 passes and 3 TDs?

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  fellow59 » Sat May 14, 2022 8:47 am

CWood24 wrote Sat May 14, 2022 7:00 am:Fit is everything in any sport

It was a good trade as Edwards doesn't fit what we’re doing & 100% didn't fit with our safety first QB

Fit may be important. Fit, as described by fans is used as a convenience. There is zero problem with the fit of a young receiver who can make contested catches.

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  fellow59 » Sat May 14, 2022 8:51 am

Attyla wrote Sat May 14, 2022 8:46 am:a third for a guy who caught 34 passes and 3 TDs?

70th in the league in receiving yards in his only full season. Yes. That makes him a solid 3rd option receiver and worth a 3rd.

4th in the league in yard per catch as well. 4th out of all WR’s.

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  black soul » Sat May 14, 2022 8:53 am

JRaider17 wrote Sat May 14, 2022 8:24 am:I do think Edwards was misused here, not sure a big WR who can't get separation should be a consistent down field target.

He just fits a specific play style, there have been a number of players that fit the mold of a big bodied WR that doesn't get much separation downfield having consistent success.

Mike Williams, Devante Parker, Allen Robinson, Kenny Golladay when he played with Stafford and in the most recent draft guys like Drake London and Burks fit along those lines.

For a team to utilize a player like that it takes a Qb willing to throw the ball into tighter windows to allow them to go up and get it. It's one of the main reasons I personally thought Allen Robinson would have been a bad fit on the Raiders.

In either case, Edwards going to a new team is likely better for his career chances.