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- extend Carr year 1? Cut Carr year 2 and give Jimmy G a 2 year commitment. Still have a massive QB problem
- extend renfrow year 1? Dump more money into receiver year 2 (meyers) because renfrow is invisible. Probably eat some dead cap for that next year
- extend Waller year 1? Trade Waller at a discount year 2 and use a top 50 pick on TE. Still no production from any TE on the team
- sign jones to a big deal year 1 to upgrade ngakoue? Draft Wilson top 10 year 2 since jones (prior to the off field stuff) proved to be a downgrade. Passrush is now worse and jones will likely be a big cap penalty next year.
- trade ngakoue for ya-sin year 1? Ya-sin doesn’t get re-signed and now we’ve got peters who looks kind of washed.
- decline jacobs 5th year option year 1? Franchise tag him for more money (and a hold out) year 2.
This is why we look worse than the team we had 2 years ago. With the exception of trading for Adams and re-signing Crosby… we’ve spent the better part of their tenure trying to course-correct from almost all of their personnel moves.
They didn’t so much lead Mac Jones to winning football games as much as massage wins out of him. Mac owes more to the Patriots defense than to McD for his “good” year.
Also lest we forget that Mac Jones offensive coordinator last year…. Was a shitty defensive coordinator.
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Pete is a BEAST of a coach. Who would of thought he would be after his hiccups.Attyla wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:54 am:When you look at the level of roster turnover from the last Gruden year to at the end of this last preseason it is pretty staggering. It is almost like the Seattle turnover when Carroll took over. We purged the team. You are gonna take a hit when you do that level of personnel changes. Now the replacements? There are suspect changes and that should be the questions we are asking.
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It’s really only Flores. Vrabel spent 7 years as a linebacker on the Pats. (3 at Pitt. 1 at KC). He never coached over there. His coaching was Ohio State to the Texans to the Titans.RI RAIDER wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:55 am:Being a good coordinator is not a guaranteed recipe for being a good coach. (although I realize it is the key component in getting the job).
This guy has done dick outside of NE just like the majority of the guys from the BB coaching tree (with the exception of Vrabel and Flores who I believe would be a great hire for us). He is a stubborn bitch and lacks the people skill necessary for being a HC. He thinks that he can be another BB and get away with acting like a douche bag. This season has the potential to get UGLY.
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In this case I would liken it to an arrogant accountant who can't communicate what is going on in the company financially.RI RAIDER wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:55 am:Being a good coordinator is not a guaranteed recipe for being a good coach. (although I realize it is the key component in getting the job).
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Those hip cups can really go on a guy, esp at his age.RI RAIDER wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:59 am:Pete is a BEAST of a coach. Who would of thought he would be after his hip cups.
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fun fact, to cure hip cups a spoon full of sugar eaten without chewing the sugar almost always cures hip cups.Jeevo wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:05 am:Those hip cups can really go on a guy, esp at his age.
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I thought a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down? At least that's what Mary Poppins told me.Attyla wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:07 am:fun fact, to cure hip cups a spoon full of sugar eaten without chewing the sugar almost always cures hip cups.
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True, his offenses with Brady were unstoppable. But his offenses with other QBs were still pretty good, including a rookie QB who hasn't looked the same since McDaniel left. So I think it is true that with Belichick overseeing his work, McDaniel is a much better offensive coordinator.GoodTimeCharlie wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:10 am:Not sure if I readily agree anymore. It’s looking like without Tom Brady, Belichick is just one of the best Defensive Coordinators in the history of the NFL. McD? Some meathead whose Offense wasn’t designed FOR Tom Brady, but BY Tom Brady.
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100% where they should be criticized. All they’ve done in 2 years is walk back on the moves they made in year 1 for the most part.Attyla wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:54 am:When you look at the level of roster turnover from the last Gruden year to at the end of this last preseason it is pretty staggering. It is almost like the Seattle turnover when Carroll took over. We purged the team. You are gonna take a hit when you do that level of personnel changes. Now the replacements? There are suspect changes and that should be the questions we are asking.
- extend Carr year 1? Cut Carr year 2 and give Jimmy G a 2 year commitment. Still have a massive QB problem
- extend renfrow year 1? Dump more money into receiver year 2 (meyers) because renfrow is invisible. Probably eat some dead cap for that next year
- extend Waller year 1? Trade Waller at a discount year 2 and use a top 50 pick on TE. Still no production from any TE on the team
- sign jones to a big deal year 1 to upgrade ngakoue? Draft Wilson top 10 year 2 since jones (prior to the off field stuff) proved to be a downgrade. Passrush is now worse and jones will likely be a big cap penalty next year.
- trade ngakoue for ya-sin year 1? Ya-sin doesn’t get re-signed and now we’ve got peters who looks kind of washed.
- decline jacobs 5th year option year 1? Franchise tag him for more money (and a hold out) year 2.
This is why we look worse than the team we had 2 years ago. With the exception of trading for Adams and re-signing Crosby… we’ve spent the better part of their tenure trying to course-correct from almost all of their personnel moves.
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Great post. Really puts into perspective how bad Ziegler and McDaniels are... to quote a certain head coach... you know?raiders93 wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:24 pm:100% where they should be criticized. All they’ve done in 2 years is walk back on the moves they made in year 1 for the most part.
- extend Carr year 1? Cut Carr year 2 and give Jimmy G a 2 year commitment. Still have a massive QB problem
- extend renfrow year 1? Dump more money into receiver year 2 (meyers) because renfrow is invisible. Probably eat some dead cap for that next year
- extend Waller year 1? Trade Waller at a discount year 2 and use a top 50 pick on TE. Still no production from any TE on the team
- sign jones to a big deal year 1 to upgrade ngakoue? Draft Wilson top 10 year 2 since jones (prior to the off field stuff) proved to be a downgrade. Passrush is now worse and jones will likely be a big cap penalty next year.
- trade ngakoue for ya-sin year 1? Ya-sin doesn’t get re-signed and now we’ve got peters who looks kind of washed.
- decline jacobs 5th year option year 1? Franchise tag him for more money (and a hold out) year 2.
This is why we look worse than the team we had 2 years ago. With the exception of trading for Adams and re-signing Crosby… we’ve spent the better part of their tenure trying to course-correct from almost all of their personnel moves.
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Dunno, all I know is it cures hip cupsOaktownonly wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:02 am:I thought a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down? At least that's what Mary Poppins told me.
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Pretty much. Just seems like total mismanagement. If you’re good at your job you should not have a big move that backfires immediately… and yet it hasn’t just been a big move as much as it has been most of their big movestrdaddy wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:31 pm:Great post. Really puts into perspective how bad Ziegler and McDaniels are... to quote a certain head coach... you know?
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I know it was a bad weather game, but let’s not forget that one of Mac Jones wins under the tutelage of McD and Hoodie had Mac going 2 for 3 for 19 yards and no TDs. He played the entire game. It was the fewest attempts in franchise history. They ran the ball 46 times out of 49 total offensive plays. This was during Mac Jones “good” year.miles_j20 wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:04 am:True, his offenses with Brady were unstoppable. But his offenses with other QBs were still pretty good, including a rookie QB who hasn't looked the same since McDaniel left. So I think it is true that with Belichick overseeing his work, McDaniel is a much better offensive coordinator.
They didn’t so much lead Mac Jones to winning football games as much as massage wins out of him. Mac owes more to the Patriots defense than to McD for his “good” year.
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This. The “Mac Jones rookie year” defence is weak. The pats defence is almost always among the best and they had one of the best ground games in the league. Let’s also not forget that, when unaided by a tornado the bills beat them 47-17 in the playoffs.GoodTimeCharlie wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:49 pm:I know it was a bad weather game, but let’s not forget that one of Mac Jones wins under the tutelage of McD and Hoodie had Mac going 2 for 3 for 19 yards and no TDs. He played the entire game. It was the fewest attempts in franchise history. They ran the ball 46 times out of 49 total offensive plays. This was during Mac Jones “good” year.
They didn’t so much lead Mac Jones to winning football games as much as massage wins out of him. Mac owes more to the Patriots defense than to McD for his “good” year.
Also lest we forget that Mac Jones offensive coordinator last year…. Was a shitty defensive coordinator.
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Yes and it was 11 wins that season.Jeevo wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 8:35 pm:Was McD the OC during the 10.win season with Cassel at QB?
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