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Dark Horse » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 pm
Jones is a LTHesterLayes wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:27 am:I have seen mock with us taking a RT at 7… I don’t see it with the plethora of guys we have over there.
Here is one….
https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/nf ... ers-trade/
Jeevo » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:49 pm
A truly elite #1 back is still a very valuable guy to have on a team. The value has changed for backs as a group.MexicanHulk wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:54 am:The NFL is very different from back then & now. For a number of reasons. & that’s why the value has changed drastically for positions.
signal » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:55 pm
I think the Raiders will do one of the following three things at 7 depending upon how the picks fall before them:Attyla » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:56 pm
the shelf life of a RB affects the value. It is a combination of years and injury potential that makes teams shy away from paying elite backs elite money. Henry who I consider the best in the game overall is already showing signs of decay. It is why the Titans are exploring trading him. It is why we tagged Jacobs rather than pay him. Even Jacobs who had a stellar year last year could drop off the cliff in a very short time and he is still young. His body of work is pretty outstanding and he really did not do a lot in college before his last season. But the risks dictated we tag him.Jeevo wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:49 pm:A truly elite #1 back is still a very valuable guy to have on a team. The value has changed for backs as a group.
HesterLayes » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:07 pm
I understand ..I’m pointing out several mocks have us getting someone to play RTDark Horse wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 pm:Jones is a LT
massraider » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:17 pm
Carter all day long.Jeevo » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:52 pm
I get all that, and I do realize what has happened with respect to rbs over the years, haven't been living off grid in a cave. Having said that, the guys considered to be locks are still highly valued and teams will, and do, spend high picks on them, a la Zeke, Saquon, etc.. Robinson is going to go high.Attyla wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:56 pm:the shelf life of a RB affects the value. It is a combination of years and injury potential that makes teams shy away from paying elite backs elite money. Henry who I consider the best in the game overall is already showing signs of decay. It is why the Titans are exploring trading him. It is why we tagged Jacobs rather than pay him. Even Jacobs who had a stellar year last year could drop off the cliff in a very short time and he is still young. His body of work is pretty outstanding and he really did not do a lot in college before his last season. But the risks dictated we tag him.
Attyla » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm
unlike some, I never suggested you are living under a rock. I merely pointed out that while, as you said, the elite RBs will go high (never disputed that) that the shelf life to me is why the value is really impacting the value drafting of RBs. I do think also that the rookie cap plays into teams seeking cheaper draft options at the position. But where you can potentially get 12 or so years from a corner or a lineman, you probably get 3 to 5 for a RB before you see the decline. That means for a highly drafted RB you do not even get to the second contract. We are seeing it now with Jacobs.Jeevo wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:52 pm:I get all that, and I do realize what has happened with respect to rbs over the years, haven't been living off grid in a cave. Having said that, the guys considered to be locks are still highly valued and teams will, and do, spend high picks on them, a la Zeke, Saquon, etc.. Robinson is going to go high.
TallMarvin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:11 pm
watched ucla games...not much to say. he gets a lot of hype, runs hot and cold, seems more suited to a baltimore ravens style offenseHesterLayes wrote Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:24 am:Dorian Thompson-Robinson reviews from you guys out west….
You need any SEC scouting reports I’m here for ya.Have seen most in person at least once haha
Jeevo » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:46 pm
Agree on all that too as I sit in my impenetrable underground lair. Anyway we'll see if anyone values Robinson highly.Attyla wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm:unlike some, I never suggested you are living under a rock. I merely pointed out that while, as you said, the elite RBs will go high (never disputed that) that the shelf life to me is why the value is really impacting the value drafting of RBs. I do think also that the rookie cap plays into teams seeking cheaper draft options at the position. But where you can potentially get 12 or so years from a corner or a lineman, you probably get 3 to 5 for a RB before you see the decline. That means for a highly drafted RB you do not even get to the second contract. We are seeing it now with Jacobs.
BoJacksonRules » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:51 pm
Rd 1 Carter, DTDark Horse » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:26 pm
Doesn't mean much IMO. These mockers aren't keeping up with our most recent signings.HesterLayes wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:07 pm:I understand ..I’m pointing out several mocks have us getting someone to play RT
GoodTimeCharlie » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:39 pm
I bet it’s that same train of thought that has Baltimore putting a cap on the guarantees in a contract with Lamar. As exciting as it is to see a quarterback take off downfield and make the D look foolish, that dynamic running ability is bringing injury and shortening careers.Attyla wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm:unlike some, I never suggested you are living under a rock. I merely pointed out that while, as you said, the elite RBs will go high (never disputed that) that the shelf life to me is why the value is really impacting the value drafting of RBs. I do think also that the rookie cap plays into teams seeking cheaper draft options at the position. But where you can potentially get 12 or so years from a corner or a lineman, you probably get 3 to 5 for a RB before you see the decline. That means for a highly drafted RB you do not even get to the second contract. We are seeing it now with Jacobs.
raiders93 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:47 pm
Would be a great draft imo. Would love to go cam smith at 38 in that scenario as opposed to double dipping at DT but wouldn’t hate it if we did.BoJacksonRules wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:51 pm:Rd 1 Carter, DT
Rd 2 Benton, DT
Rd 3a Henley, LB
Rd 3b Rush, CB
Attyla » Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:36 am
The running QBs are extremely risky to draft. Unless they learn how to play in the pocket and learn the proper mechanics of passing (and get the accuracy into the mid 60's) they do not last. It is why Richardson is such a huge risk to draft. It is a nice fantasy to think he will improve his accuracy at the next level, but you cannot draft him assuming you can improve that aspect of his game. You draft him for what he is now, a guy with freakish athletic skills who is going to be a 50% passer. He will never be a Mahomes guy who can play in the pocket accurately and use his wheels when needed. He will be the guy who uses his wheels as his first option, like Lamar. It is how he has gotten to the pros and it is very hard to alter that instinct once a player has established that part of his game.GoodTimeCharlie wrote Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:39 pm:I bet it’s that same train of thought that has Baltimore putting a cap on the guarantees in a contract with Lamar. As exciting as it is to see a quarterback take off downfield and make the D look foolish, that dynamic running ability is bringing injury and shortening careers.