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  silver_ghost » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:53 am

Ismail86 wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:52 am:We'll trade Waller and Renfrow to justify the Jimmy G signing

If you trade Waller & Renfrow the dead cap hit for this year is 23 million dollars. Ziegler didn't sign both of them so that they can trade him in 2023. Only Carr's deal carried the lowest dead cap penalty.

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  Amish Cabal » Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:25 am

chucker wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:34 am:Just a note..... we have just entered the time of year when @nflrums will connect every team with every player. @nfldraftbites will do the same. They'll get some right, simply because some teams and some players will ultimately connect.

Yeah, my posting that was more aimed at Ramsey himself saying he would beg to come to the Raiders on that vid.

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  Basque_Raider » Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:16 pm

Jeevo wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:40 am:Current Ramsey cap hits next 3 years are 25, 27, 23. No idea if this applies after a trade.

You trade for the remaining cash of the contract. In this case:

2023: 17M of cash and cap hit

2024: 18,5M cash and cap hit

2025: 19,5M cash and cap hit

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  Ivanavich » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:02 pm

silver_ghost wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:53 am:If you trade Waller & Renfrow the dead cap hit for this year is 23 million dollars. Ziegler didn't sign both of them so that they can trade him in 2023. Only Carr's deal carried the lowest dead cap penalty.

Waller could get traded as he has trade value.

Renfrow is ours for the next 2 years because he is a special teams and part time role player WR being highly overpaid. I'm in favor of keeping Renfrow.

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  vtraider » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:11 pm

I could see one of the two being traded. Honestly if I had my choice it would be waller getting traded. Maybe it was the mini (no one say) holdout that pissed me off along with the missed time. Plus refrow is younger

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  Ismail86 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:42 pm

silver_ghost wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:53 am:If you trade Waller & Renfrow the dead cap hit for this year is 23 million dollars. Ziegler didn't sign both of them so that they can trade him in 2023. Only Carr's deal carried the lowest dead cap penalty.

1) Although I REALLY don't want to trade them, your numbers are wrong. It would free up nearly $17 mill if traded before 6/1)

2) I was kidding but I feel like this will actually happen. We'll trade both of them and when asked why the answer will be that it helped pay for our new franchise QB who will be a guy that none of us want anyway

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  16 to 88 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:46 pm

Ismail86 wrote Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:42 pm:1) Although I REALLY don't want to trade them, your numbers are wrong. It would free up nearly $17 mill if traded before 6/1)

2) I was kidding but I feel like this will actually happen. We'll trade both of them and when asked why the answer will be that it helped pay for our new franchise QB who will be a guy that none of us want anyway

Are you referring to Brady?! He want's to come to a team with even less offensive weapons and struggle even more so (scratches head)?

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  HesterLayes » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:30 pm

https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1 ... rw0MeJzsJQ

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  RI RAIDER » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:47 pm

Trading Waller is a cap savings of over 11 million. I think someone got confused. If we released him, which would obviously NEVER happen, his cap hit is 9 million if he is released prior to June 1st.

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  HesterLayes » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:13 pm

RI RAIDER wrote Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:47 pm:Trading Waller is a cap savings of over 11 million. I think someone got confused. If we released him, which would obviously NEVER happen, his cap hit is 9 million if he is released prior to June 1st.

I don’t think the Waller Renfrow stuff is legit as of now..they were just mentioned as possibilities

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  JRaider17 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:21 pm

HesterLayes wrote Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:30 pm:https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1 ... rw0MeJzsJQ

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I like this move, actually wanted him during the season. He has potential to be a Billings like pick up. Really like how the staff is using these future contracts.

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  DarthRaider » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:40 pm

JRaider17 wrote Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:21 pm:I like this move, actually wanted him during the season. He has potential to be a Billings like pick up. Really like how the staff is using these future contracts.

Yep he was very solid in New England.

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  chucker » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:01 pm

JRaider17 wrote Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:21 pm:I like this move, actually wanted him during the season. He has potential to be a Billings like pick up. Really like how the staff is using these future contracts.

Seems like we signed Bilal Nichols for a fraction of the price - a guy who once got sacks as an undersized interior DL. It's a better bet than Nichols was because the price is way lower.