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  Attyla » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:32 am

Willmark wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:12 am:We know you’re immune to facts so let’s try this one:

Jacobs career average is 4.3 yard per carry is mediocre? That’s your contention?

And for anyone else reading this, trust me I know he won’t answer this.

Eric Dickerson 4.3 ypa
Barry Sanders 5.0 ypa
Emmitt Smith 4.2 ypa
Marcus Allen 4.1 ypa
LaDanian Tomlinson 4.3 ypa
Walter Payton 4.4 ypa

Pretty good company for a bunch of mediocre runners.

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  signal » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:47 am

heavyD wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:37 am:I think the Raiders will sign Jacobs to an extension to have some stability in the backfield for AOC and the rookie QB they draft. I’m fine with that if it happens.

Yes, but I would also draft a RB in one of the later rounds. I find everything that is behind Jacobs on the roster right now is rather bland. Would like to couple Jacobs with a smaller and quicker guy who excels at catching the ball. Just think moving forward it might be best to have more depth and more range at the position and be able to switch things up moving forward.

At times this year, JJ has hit a wall in games, and would like to be able to throw at the D another type of back when that occurs. They have used Tucker and Meyers at times in the run game and it has worked for the most part. Adding another RB to the roster with speed will only give the OC more options.

JJ is a good workhorse and he runs violently while having a little wiggle, has the ability to move the chains and has proven rather sturdy, if you can keep that type of player than you do so.

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  GUYDON » Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:57 am

Sold My Soul wrote Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:09 pm:He was the NFL rushing leader last year for fucks sake....Forgive him if he doesn't live up to your expectations tin man.

While we all respect your opinion.....you do realize...... the D is keying on him every game because the QB play isn't a threat...... meaning.....

He is facing 7/8 man fronts.

You need to go back to mass and ask your god.....errrrrr....our god ...to grant you wisdom my brother.

And I offer this with no disrespect to you. Just want to give the respect where it belongs.....

Josh Jacobs

Im fine with Josh being here or not being here. I would like to see Zeus get a full game to see how he runs at some point.
Remember when you are being smug about God, eternity is a long time my brother. But, even here on Earth the Father can bring joy to your life that is unattainable by any worldly things, you only have to sincerely open.your heart and invite him in to your life.... or dont lol

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  MexicanHulk » Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:18 am

signal wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:47 am:Yes, but I would also draft a RB in one of the later rounds. I find everything that is behind Jacobs on the roster right now is rather bland. Would like to couple Jacobs with a smaller and quicker guy who excels at catching the ball. Just think moving forward it might be best to have more depth and more range at the position and be able to switch things up moving forward.

It’s not just about drafting a guy in the late rounds. Or in any round. If there aren’t any good looking RB’s in rounds 5-7, I don’t want one drafted. I’d look to fill the spot elsewhere. If the RB’s in the 2-3 round range don’t look good, or one does but he’s picked, then skip it. Don’t just draft one just cause it calls for it. Lots of times, “experts/media” say the RB group is deep. But it really isn’t. They could name 7-8 RB’s with the “2nd-3rd round talent” upside but, in reality, probably only 2 are. If those are gone, then don’t draft one. Forget the other 5.

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  signal » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:26 am

MexicanHulk wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:18 am:It’s not just about drafting a guy in the late rounds. Or in any round. If there aren’t any good looking RB’s in rounds 5-7, I don’t want one drafted. I’d look to fill the spot elsewhere. If the RB’s in the 2-3 round range don’t look good, or one does but he’s picked, then skip it. Don’t just draft one just cause it calls for it. Lots of times, “experts/media” say the RB group is deep. But it really isn’t. They could name 7-8 RB’s with the “2nd-3rd round talent” upside but, in reality, probably only 2 are. If those are gone, then don’t draft one. Forget the other 5.

Running back is one of those positions which is usually not over drafted. Obviously if there are is no one at the position you like, don't draft one. Duh.

But, players drafted late do surprise from time to time. Raider's best player right now was not drafted in the in first three rounds. I know that many fans think that only players picked in the first three rounds have a chance to shine in the NFL, but that is simply not true. Possibly the best QB ever to play the game was not picked in the first three rounds.

So, believe it or not, it is not unthinkable to find a backup RB with a different skill set than JJ's in rounds 4 - 7 and one that would be better than what we have behind JJ right now.

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  mranquales » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:43 am

Josh Jacobs:

2019 - 4.8
2020 - 3.9
2021 - 4.0
2022 - 4.9
2023 - 3.5

Like I stated, the MAJORITY of his career (3 years versus 2) he's been mediocre. Those two years eschew the stats. Now let's add some context. Josh Jacobs only plays well when his job depends on it. His rookie year when he was trying to establish himself as a feature back, and his contract year when Josh McDaniels was actively trying to demote him and ultimately get rid of him. You could also argue JJ's rookie year was a great run blocking year for the Raiders in general. Zamir White also averaged 4.1 YPC in JJ's contract year, so the OL was blocking well in general.

This year JJ is required to raise his skill set to get great yardage, which he is unable to do. In fact, there was a game where Zamir White had a much higher per carry average for the game than JJ did. JJ is overrated by many on this forum the same way Justin Ellis was. The best run JJ had was because of the OL opening up a GAPING hole multiple times, JJ got lucky and finally saw one and went through it for a TD.

@ Attyla, I thought you "never" stated JJ was elite? Now you're comparing him to the greatest RB's of all time? Hilarious. You are constantly contradicting yourself and proven wrong, the only difference is you have groupies who lap dance behind you and make you feel like you're right when you aren't. Just like you never claimed Justin Ellis was our best DT when it was obvious he was the reason we had the worst run defense those years.

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  Raider727 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 am

Ekeler is averaging 3.5 yards per carry and for being a dual threat only has 1 receiving td this season and Barkley only has 1 rushing td this season.

Anyone who watches the Raiders can see that scheme and blocking has been bad almost all season.

When I see good rushing teams play designs, they are very creative with formations, motions and blocking schemes.

The Raiders have also desperately needed a running back to spell Jacobs but haven't been able to find one all of Jacobs career.

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  Raiderfanrich » Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:34 pm

mranquales wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:43 am:Josh Jacobs:

2019 - 4.8
2020 - 3.9
2021 - 4.0
2022 - 4.9
2023 - 3.5

Like I stated, the MAJORITY of his career (3 years versus 2) he's been mediocre. Those two years eschew the stats. Now let's add some context. Josh Jacobs only plays well when his job depends on it. His rookie year when he was trying to establish himself as a feature back, and his contract year when Josh McDaniels was actively trying to demote him and ultimately get rid of him. You could also argue JJ's rookie year was a great run blocking year for the Raiders in general. Zamir White also averaged 4.1 YPC in JJ's contract year, so the OL was blocking well in general.

This year JJ is required to raise his skill set to get great yardage, which he is unable to do. In fact, there was a game where Zamir White had a much higher per carry average for the game than JJ did. JJ is overrated by many on this forum the same way Justin Ellis was. The best run JJ had was because of the OL opening up a GAPING hole multiple times, JJ got lucky and finally saw one and went through it for a TD.

@ Attyla, I thought you "never" stated JJ was elite? Now you're comparing him to the greatest RB's of all time? Hilarious. You are constantly contradicting yourself and proven wrong, the only difference is you have groupies who lap dance behind you and make you feel like you're right when you aren't. Just like you never claimed Justin Ellis was our best DT when it was obvious he was the reason we had the worst run defense those years.

Despite being 'trash' and 'shitty' and all the other superlatives AND having a shit year behind bad blocking, Jacobs is 7th on the rushing list this season right now.

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  rich72 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:45 pm

Raider727 wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:15 am:Ekeler is averaging 3.5 yards per carry and for being a dual threat only has 1 receiving td this season and Barkley only has 1 rushing td this season.

Anyone who watches the Raiders can see that scheme and blocking has been bad almost all season.

When I see good rushing teams play designs, they are very creative with formations, motions and blocking schemes.

The Raiders have also desperately needed a running back to spell Jacobs but haven't been able to find one all of Jacobs career.

So with a good scheme and blocking anyone can be great I guess?

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  srv5490 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:15 pm

Attyla wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:32 am:Eric Dickerson 4.3 ypa
Barry Sanders 5.0 ypa
Emmitt Smith 4.2 ypa
Marcus Allen 4.1 ypa
LaDanian Tomlinson 4.3 ypa
Walter Payton 4.4 ypa

Pretty good company for a bunch of mediocre runners.

This made me curious to look up all-time ypc leaders. I was surprised to see Marv Hubbard high up on the list at 4.8 ypc. I always thought of him as a three yards and a cloud of dust guy.

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  16 to 88 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:18 pm

Attyla wrote Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:32 am:Eric Dickerson 4.3 ypa
Barry Sanders 5.0 ypa
Emmitt Smith 4.2 ypa
Marcus Allen 4.1 ypa
LaDanian Tomlinson 4.3 ypa
Walter Payton 4.4 ypa

Pretty good company for a bunch of mediocre runners.

Josh Jacobs 4.3 ypa
Latavius Murray 4.2 ypa