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This concludes that Jacobs is overrated by the fanbase.
And what was Mcfadden's YPC for that year? Guarantee it wasn't 5.2. Which further proves my point that Murray was underrated for the Raiders. He was also better at scoring TD's, which is why we won more games when he was on our team.
Murray, at his best, is better than Josh Jacobs at his best.
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So if that is the case and 4.3 is mediocre, 4.2 is likewise mediocre.
Lets go with that. Since you avoid uncomfortable facts. Murray had a 90 yard run on one play. He ran for 424 yards that year. That means 21.22% of his yards rushing were the result single play. Or another way: 1/5 of his total yards all season came on that run.
Anything else you need to be enlightened on let us know, we can continue to keep doing so.
I made the claim that there was no point in getting rid of Murray for Lynch while he was a Raider. I was right, and the numbers support that. That's when the goalposts got moved to, 'b-b-but...careers!', then the goalposts got moved again when Josh Jacobs got brought into it.
On the contrary, you all are the ones that claimed Josh Jacobs is elite, so therefore, only being .1 ahead of Murray actually proves both MY POINTS that JJ is mediocre AND Murray wasn't as bad as was originally claimed.
As the movie Apocalypse Now says: "time to terminate with extreme prejudice."
The original argument was you got caught lying by Chucker on stats and then offered up a feeble/lame "I wasn't lying, I just didn't have the stats in front of me" defense.
Then it morphed into "Murray is a winner everywhere he goes." Tell us about that. Every stop? The quote as I recall you offered up was: "Murray was a winner everywhere he goes!" And on top of that the only metric that W/L applies to is QB generally speaking.
No one has been harsh om Murray. In fact it's the opposite: you've been hyping him for years and when caught on it try and turn it around on other posters.
People are rightly pointing out among other things you do the following logical fallacies: Cherry-pick, move the goal posts, appeal to authority, etc.
If it wasn't so blatantly obvious it would be amusing.
And people simply pointing out your numerous inaccuracies is called facts.
When I posted the HoF tracking you were incredulous that Lynch was far higher. Which is it a single season or a career that matters? Because you attempt to pick on or the other when it suits your needs.
Get back to me when you can actually acknowledge stats like why Murray had a 5.2 YPC that year. Until then we can continue to dismiss your posting as we normally do.
And this you? "Players like Jacobs are too camera-shy to be leaders." "Deandre Washington is better"
You said 4.3 is mediocre. Go ahead, we dare you to say you didn't actually say that. If Jacobs at 4.3 is medicore where does that leave Murray?
In short no one here outside of a batshit few buy anything you're saying.
You lie, make up stats, pretend things never happen, pretend you never said stuff you actually did among a host of others. And if this gets you upset? Did I say something wrong or simply point out the truth?
And to end, I'll do the same as I opened with, quoting a movie: "Here endeth the lesson."
Fuck me.
It's actually the opposite, which is why everyone is so up in arms every time I post, desperately trying to prove me "wrong" because I know my football.
And no, I didn't lie. Taking a stat (which I admitted was guesstimated because I didn't feel like searching it at the time) and making that into an argument is pointless, because the stat had ZERO to do with the point I was trying to make. The reason why I guesstimated is because it didn't matter. So you constantly bringing this up every time you quote me is a fruitless endeavor. Lying would be if I made up the entire basis for what I was stating, which didn't happen.
Then why was the apology thread so controversial?
Bad RB's don't play for a decade.
Murray at his best, is better than Jacobs at his best. It's as simple as that.
You are gonna have to be buried next to Marie Curie in a lead lined coffin because you just got nuked.
Grow up. It's actually possible to just scroll past a post by someone you think is an idiot. It's a lot harder when there are 10 posts in a row due to a never ending pissing match.
Do not reply to this post. Just move on.
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You are as bad as mranklebiter and Ivan.rich72 wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:20 pm:You proved my point, Case Closed.
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Continue to endeavor to persevere.mranquales wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:18 pm:This stat actually helps my argument. All that hype for Jacobs, and there is only a .1 difference between them.
Also Murray had a 5.2 ypc as a feature back in 2014. That's higher than Jacobs has ever had in his career.
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No, it's not. We agree.rich72 wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:01 pm:Yeah thats the thing, is that .1 really worth it when it comes to running backs?
This concludes that Jacobs is overrated by the fanbase.
He did have it again. He's done it twice.Spirit in Black wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:08 pm:5.2 YPC on 82 carries, 424 total yards... yeah, real feature back. McFadden had double the carries that year.
Small ass sample size that Murray never got even close to again that YPC average again.
And what was Mcfadden's YPC for that year? Guarantee it wasn't 5.2. Which further proves my point that Murray was underrated for the Raiders. He was also better at scoring TD's, which is why we won more games when he was on our team.
Murray, at his best, is better than Josh Jacobs at his best.
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11 carries for 57 yards last year doesn’t countmranquales wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 11:47 pm:No, it's not. We agree.
This concludes that Jacobs is overrated by the fanbase.
He did have it again. He's done it twice.
And what was Mcfadden's YPC for that year? Guarantee it wasn't 5.2. Which further proves my point that Murray was underrated for the Raiders. He was also better at scoring TD's, which is why we won more games when he was on our team.
Murray, at his best, is better than Josh Jacobs at his best.
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Dude has consistently poor takes…Raidernation1979 wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:36 pm:You are as bad as mranklebiter and Ivan.
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No you said Josh's 4.3 average is mediocre. Likely because you didn't look stats.mranquales wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:18 pm:This stat actually helps my argument. All that hype for Jacobs, and there is only a .1 difference between them.
So if that is the case and 4.3 is mediocre, 4.2 is likewise mediocre.
That's what you're going with now (care to move the goal posts any more?)mranquales wrote Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:18 pm:Also Murray had a 5.2 ypc as a feature back in 2014. That's higher than Jacobs has ever had in his career.
Lets go with that. Since you avoid uncomfortable facts. Murray had a 90 yard run on one play. He ran for 424 yards that year. That means 21.22% of his yards rushing were the result single play. Or another way: 1/5 of his total yards all season came on that run.
Anything else you need to be enlightened on let us know, we can continue to keep doing so.
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Wrong, the original argument was that everyone was being a bit too harsh on Murray, because he was indeed a solid RB. I never claimed Murray was elite, a HOF, or top anything. Those were all disguised ad hominem attacks by my detractors because he couldn't make a solid argument otherwise.Willmark wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:30 pm:No you said Josh's 4.3 average is mediocre. Likely because you didn't look stats.
So if that is the case and 4.3 is mediocre, 4.2 is likewise mediocre.
I made the claim that there was no point in getting rid of Murray for Lynch while he was a Raider. I was right, and the numbers support that. That's when the goalposts got moved to, 'b-b-but...careers!', then the goalposts got moved again when Josh Jacobs got brought into it.
On the contrary, you all are the ones that claimed Josh Jacobs is elite, so therefore, only being .1 ahead of Murray actually proves both MY POINTS that JJ is mediocre AND Murray wasn't as bad as was originally claimed.
You're the very first person to admit that, hence the dilemma.Raider727 wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:44 pm:Murray has been a solid running back, not that many running backs last a decade in the NFL. Jacobs is still better though and every NFL gm would agree.
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As the movie Apocalypse Now says: "time to terminate with extreme prejudice."
Wrong? That's all you've ever been. In fact in you were right for once it would be a banner day for originality.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:Wrong
Wrong again.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:the original argument was that everyone was being a bit too harsh on Murray
The original argument was you got caught lying by Chucker on stats and then offered up a feeble/lame "I wasn't lying, I just didn't have the stats in front of me" defense.
Then it morphed into "Murray is a winner everywhere he goes." Tell us about that. Every stop? The quote as I recall you offered up was: "Murray was a winner everywhere he goes!" And on top of that the only metric that W/L applies to is QB generally speaking.
No one has been harsh om Murray. In fact it's the opposite: you've been hyping him for years and when caught on it try and turn it around on other posters.
He is solid. In fact the numbers bear that out but not the praise you apparently don't give him? Nice move of the goalposts again. You were praising him to no end while most of us correctly called that in his 3 years here he was a solid RB. After that? Does that matter? He has played for multiple other teams for a longer amount of time than the Raiders.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:because he was indeed a solid RB.
No.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:Those were all disguised ad hominem attacks by my detractors because he couldn't make a solid argument otherwise.
People are rightly pointing out among other things you do the following logical fallacies: Cherry-pick, move the goal posts, appeal to authority, etc.
If it wasn't so blatantly obvious it would be amusing.
And people simply pointing out your numerous inaccuracies is called facts.
Oh is that it? is that what you did?mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:I made the claim that there was no point in getting rid of Murray for Lynch while he was a Raider.
When I posted the HoF tracking you were incredulous that Lynch was far higher. Which is it a single season or a career that matters? Because you attempt to pick on or the other when it suits your needs.
Generally speaking yes, if wrong actually means you are "right."mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm: I was right, and the numbers support that.
Get back to me when you can actually acknowledge stats like why Murray had a 5.2 YPC that year. Until then we can continue to dismiss your posting as we normally do.
There is goal post moving but its you. Along with cherry picking. See above.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:That's when the goalposts got moved to, 'b-b-but...careers!',
See directly above.mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:then the goalposts got moved again when Josh Jacobs got brought into it.
And this you? "Players like Jacobs are too camera-shy to be leaders." "Deandre Washington is better"
Jacobs has been solid. I suspect any calls of "elite" are to tweak you because "since I played RB in Pop Warner football at age 11 I know running backs!"mranquales wrote Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:02 pm:On the contrary, you all are the ones that claimed Josh Jacobs is elite
Revisionist history and you're being called out for such.so therefore, only being .1 ahead of Murray
You said 4.3 is mediocre. Go ahead, we dare you to say you didn't actually say that. If Jacobs at 4.3 is medicore where does that leave Murray?
Goalpost move number 1,000,000 par for the course for you.actually proves both MY POINTS that JJ is mediocre AND Murray wasn't as bad as was originally claimed.
In short no one here outside of a batshit few buy anything you're saying.
You lie, make up stats, pretend things never happen, pretend you never said stuff you actually did among a host of others. And if this gets you upset? Did I say something wrong or simply point out the truth?
And to end, I'll do the same as I opened with, quoting a movie: "Here endeth the lesson."
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I've been proven right over time about damn near everything I've ever stated on here. I said Carr would be the franchise when we drafted him. He was. I stated Mack would be a superstar. He was. I stated Justin Ellis was trash. He was.Willmark wrote Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:33 am:]Wrong? That's all you've ever been. In fact in you were right for once it would be a banner day for originality.
It's actually the opposite, which is why everyone is so up in arms every time I post, desperately trying to prove me "wrong" because I know my football.
No one cares about whatever you're claiming here except you. This conversation took place 100 pages AFTER the original argument. So you're wrong.The original argument was you got caught lying by Chucker on stats and then offered up a feeble/lame "I wasn't lying, I just didn't have the stats in front of me" defense.
And no, I didn't lie. Taking a stat (which I admitted was guesstimated because I didn't feel like searching it at the time) and making that into an argument is pointless, because the stat had ZERO to do with the point I was trying to make. The reason why I guesstimated is because it didn't matter. So you constantly bringing this up every time you quote me is a fruitless endeavor. Lying would be if I made up the entire basis for what I was stating, which didn't happen.
The winning part wasn't started by me. Keep up.Then it morphed into "Murray is a winner everywhere he goes." Tell us about that. Every stop? The quote as I recall you offered up was: "Murray was a winner everywhere he goes!" And on top of that the only metric that W/L applies to is QB generally speaking.
No one has been harsh om Murray. In fact it's the opposite: you've been hyping him for years and when caught on it try and turn it around on other posters.
Then why was the apology thread so controversial? End. Of. Discussion.He is solid.
Bad RB's don't play for a decade.
Yep.Oh is that it? is that what you did?
It doesn't matter why, because Mcfadden didn't have it with the exact same OL. Just like it didn't matter than Jacobs only played like he did last season out of fear of losing his job.Get back to me when you can actually acknowledge stats like why Murray had a 5.2 YPC that year. Until then we can continue to dismiss your posting as we normally do.
Murray at his best, is better than Jacobs at his best. It's as simple as that.
Both of those claims are true. JJ as a leader of the Raiders is why we struggle to win games and Deandre Washington was more talented than JJ.And this you? "Players like Jacobs are too camera-shy to be leaders." "Deandre Washington is better"
You're actually making MY argument. I'm not the one who brought that particular stat to the table and stated that it matters along with TD's. Based on those metrics JJ is no better than Murray AND has less TD's even though JJ has more opportunities to score. I agree with Ivan, if we can't score points when you have the ball, you're overrated.You said 4.3 is mediocre. Go ahead, we dare you to say you didn't actually say that. If Jacobs at 4.3 is medicore where does that leave Murray?
You didn't say anything or discredit any of truthful claims."Here endeth the lesson."
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Even with Jacobs being the leading rusher the raiders were low ranked as a team last year tooRaider727 wrote Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:04 pm:Crazy how Jacobs was the #1 rushing leader last year and now in 2023 the Raiders are in last place in rushing yards in the NFL.
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