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can patch together a decent defense if the players play together
don't need the 85 bears or 2000 ravens to get it done...it will take solid second-tier players, a superstar here and there, and a coaching staff that can coach up the players
Defense is a thing of the past.
If you want to stop the run fine. Maybe get a sack fine, maybe get a int or pass break up great but its all about the excitement of the QB.
Jimmy G is not the guy the football network, Twitter, ESPN or the NFL can deep throat
LB could be the least mandatory in terms of needing quality on defense. 3/4 of the time they're replaced in nickle or dime Ds
A Corps (pronounced 'core' ) is defined as "A body of persons acting together or associated under common direction."
Even KC who have the most dynamic QB in the NFL have an MLB graded at 76 and wille gay was a 70. Our hightest was like a 50.
It is and has been a HUGE issue for the raiders for a very long time. You might be listening to too much sports talk radio if you dont know how crucial LBs are.
And you all call me a know it all? Could you at least elaborate on your claims to make it fun? 
Remember when the league thought Corey Littleton was a great LB? Spoiler alert, he pretty much sucked, but was able to be productive because of the defensive talent around him. The offenses they faced couldn't avoid everyone on their defense.
We have spent many many high picks on dbs. It made zero difference. With the way the rules are now, especially the way refs watch our db's we are better off to have our large investments somewhere else. We have brought in numerous front 4, we know damn well Maxx gets held many plays and never gets called. But we have never seriously built our LB corps. As long as we are weak in the middle we will have a 30th ranked defense. Lb can add to pash rush, stop the run, help in coverage, good ones can shut down plays before they start.
Show me the starting LBs for the season on any team and I can tell you pretty accurately if their defense will be good of not.
Give me linebackers, or give me death.
Thats my non expert advice lol.
Sewell has no idea what he’s doing in coverage. He looks lost & hops around strictly in an area he thinks he’s supposed to be in. When a play happens in his area (a pass especially), that’s when he moves in that direction. Not even knowing if he’s close or not. Which usually he isn’t. This also means, he’s late. Since he is only reacting after the fact. This means he’s usually nowhere near the intended receiver to even make the play. Add in the fact that he’s now reacting late. There’s no instinct in his coverage or even run stuffing from his drop back position. His downhill run stuffing play isn’t much better either. Runners often juke/shake/run around him so easily it’s sad. A simple change of direction gets him flat footed & he takes huge banana routes to then follow them.
Henley is the complete opposite. In coverage, he’s in his assignment while diagnosing the play, sees potential receivers coming across his zone, knows which one to shadow/follow, also checking the QB’s eyes &, is position a lot of the time to be able to make a play. His IQ & instincts in this area are easy to see when you watch him, play in & play out. He’s also pretty solid in the run game. He can navigate traffic, uses his hands to keep blockers from taking him out of the play & clogs up a lane. Is a good tackler. His reaction from being in coverage to reading run & is fast & he takes good angles. He has solid to very good traits across the board. Definitely better in coverage than the run but still solid stopping the run
Name a good defense with bad linebackers.
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can patch together a decent defense if the players play together
don't need the 85 bears or 2000 ravens to get it done...it will take solid second-tier players, a superstar here and there, and a coaching staff that can coach up the players
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That's right. Today's NFL is about points scored, as is the NBA when they took away the hand check and baseball where home runs sell.Ivanavich wrote Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:35 pm:I'd go a little further yet...
the way to beat the Chiefs offense is to have your own high scoring offense with one or two elite players on defense (DBs) who can jump routes and cause strip fumbles and in a pinch blitz the QB. Those guys exist, but you won't find them by drafting LBs, DEs, DTs and non- franchise level QBs in the first 2 rounds.
(and you won't have a high scoring offense with Jacobs getting 340 carries in a season)
Defense is a thing of the past.
If you want to stop the run fine. Maybe get a sack fine, maybe get a int or pass break up great but its all about the excitement of the QB.
Jimmy G is not the guy the football network, Twitter, ESPN or the NFL can deep throat
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Why, what team is winning SBs because of their LB play?GUYDON wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:29 am:I would invest high picks in the postion and low picks and FA, and UDFA, there is a big homeless dude with a $50 a day coke habit in down town Santa Ana I would bring in for a look. My position is clear, I want linbackers and I want a shitload of them.
LB could be the least mandatory in terms of needing quality on defense. 3/4 of the time they're replaced in nickle or dime Ds
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Yeah, It's definitely "corps." Just like the "Marine Corps."Jeevo wrote Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:17 am:Lol, core can mean more than that, but I agree with Chucker and you, it was always "corps".
A Corps (pronounced 'core' ) is defined as "A body of persons acting together or associated under common direction."
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Sewell is not even in the same stratosphere as Henley, when to actual play on the field. Sewell may get drafted around the same time or earlier but, that doesn’t matter. Sewell is a bad LB now & will be worse in the NFL. He could eventually get better but, right now, he’s a bad prospect.Dark Horse wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:50 am:Jack Campbell or Drew Sanders, round II....
OR
Noah Sewell or Daiyan Henley round III
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Ivan Pace or Aubrey Miller, round III or IV
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The best D in the nfl "Just happens" to have the best linebackers? 9ers could have easily won it all if they werent on their 5th qb on the season. Did you see the rams LBs during their run? Did you see tampa's lbs play during their super bowl run? Did you see the eagles LBers?KillerRaider30 wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:19 pm:Why, what team is winning SBs because of their LB play?
LB could be the least mandatory in terms of needing quality on defense. 3/4 of the time they're replaced in nickle or dime Ds
Even KC who have the most dynamic QB in the NFL have an MLB graded at 76 and wille gay was a 70. Our hightest was like a 50.
It is and has been a HUGE issue for the raiders for a very long time. You might be listening to too much sports talk radio if you dont know how crucial LBs are.
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I love this thinking and that is what we do and we've sucked for over 20 year now here doing exactly that. So lets keep doing it.KillerRaider30 wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:19 pm:Why, what team is winning SBs because of their LB play?
LB could be the least mandatory in terms of needing quality on defense. 3/4 of the time they're replaced in nickle or dime Ds
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MexicanHulk wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:52 pm:Sewell is not even in the same stratosphere as Henley, when to actual play on the field. Sewell may get drafted around the same time or earlier but, that doesn’t matter. Sewell is a bad LB now & will be worse in the NFL. He could eventually get better but, right now, he’s a bad prospect.
And you all call me a know it all? Could you at least elaborate on your claims to make it fun?
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Dude, we need to improve our LB corps. That's not the same as saying LBs are the key to building a good defense, which seems to be what you are saying. Once again, they are less important than both pass rushers and cover men.GUYDON wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:30 pm:The best D in the nfl "Just happens" to have the best linebackers? 9ers could have easily won it all if they werent on their 5th qb on the season. Did you see the rams LBs during their run? Did you see tampa's lbs play during their super bowl run? Did you see the eagles LBers?
Even KC who have the most dynamic QB in the NFL have an MLB graded at 76 and wille gay was a 70. Our hightest was like a 50.
It is and has been a HUGE issue for the raiders for a very long time. You might be listening to too much sports talk radio if you dont know how crucial LBs are.
Remember when the league thought Corey Littleton was a great LB? Spoiler alert, he pretty much sucked, but was able to be productive because of the defensive talent around him. The offenses they faced couldn't avoid everyone on their defense.
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Yep thats what Im saying, you can build great defense around great linbackers. 2000 ravens (ray lewis), 2002 bucs (brooks), 85 bears (Singletary) I could literally do this all day amd there are tons of modern day examples I have already given in other posts. LB isnt the only thing you need for a great defense, but in my opinion it is THE bedrock foundation you HAVE to have.Dark Horse wrote Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:23 pm:Dude, we need to improve our LB corps. That's not the same as saying LBs are the key to building a good defense, which seems to be what you are saying. Once again, they are less important than both pass rushers and cover men.
Remember when the league thought Corey Littleton was a great LB? Spoiler alert, he pretty much sucked, but was able to be productive because of the defensive talent around him. The offenses they faced couldn't avoid everyone on their defense.
We have spent many many high picks on dbs. It made zero difference. With the way the rules are now, especially the way refs watch our db's we are better off to have our large investments somewhere else. We have brought in numerous front 4, we know damn well Maxx gets held many plays and never gets called. But we have never seriously built our LB corps. As long as we are weak in the middle we will have a 30th ranked defense. Lb can add to pash rush, stop the run, help in coverage, good ones can shut down plays before they start.
Show me the starting LBs for the season on any team and I can tell you pretty accurately if their defense will be good of not.
Give me linebackers, or give me death.
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Thats my non expert advice lol.
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I never called you anything. You should go back & check posts. We’ve barely had, if any back ‘n forth. Also, I did in previous post touch on why Sewell is a bad prospect right now & why Henley is superior.Dark Horse wrote Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:18 pm:
Sewell has no idea what he’s doing in coverage. He looks lost & hops around strictly in an area he thinks he’s supposed to be in. When a play happens in his area (a pass especially), that’s when he moves in that direction. Not even knowing if he’s close or not. Which usually he isn’t. This also means, he’s late. Since he is only reacting after the fact. This means he’s usually nowhere near the intended receiver to even make the play. Add in the fact that he’s now reacting late. There’s no instinct in his coverage or even run stuffing from his drop back position. His downhill run stuffing play isn’t much better either. Runners often juke/shake/run around him so easily it’s sad. A simple change of direction gets him flat footed & he takes huge banana routes to then follow them.
Henley is the complete opposite. In coverage, he’s in his assignment while diagnosing the play, sees potential receivers coming across his zone, knows which one to shadow/follow, also checking the QB’s eyes &, is position a lot of the time to be able to make a play. His IQ & instincts in this area are easy to see when you watch him, play in & play out. He’s also pretty solid in the run game. He can navigate traffic, uses his hands to keep blockers from taking him out of the play & clogs up a lane. Is a good tackler. His reaction from being in coverage to reading run & is fast & he takes good angles. He has solid to very good traits across the board. Definitely better in coverage than the run but still solid stopping the run
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Exactly. If you are playing 3-4 defense the LBers are super important. If we are classified as Patriots west, just look at the kind of LBers Patriots east has. I can be happy with similar kinds of LBers.SkullCrusher wrote Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:54 pm:I love this thinking and that is what we do and we've sucked for over 20 year now here doing exactly that. So lets keep doing it.
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What, pick teams from over two decades ago before it was a passing league who also had great defensive lines and secondaries??GUYDON wrote Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:45 pm:Yep thats what Im saying, you can build great defense around great linbackers. 2000 ravens (ray lewis), 2002 bucs (brooks), 85 bears (Singletary) I could literally do this all day amd there are tons of modern day examples I have already given in other posts. LB isnt the only thing you need for a great defense, but in my opinion it is THE bedrock foundation you HAVE to have.
We have spent many many high picks on dbs. It made zero difference. With the way the rules are now, especially the way refs watch our db's we are better off to have our large investments somewhere else. We have brought in numerous front 4, we know damn well Maxx gets held many plays and never gets called. But we have never seriously built our LB corps. As long as we are weak in the middle we will have a 30th ranked defense. Lb can add to pash rush, stop the run, help in coverage, good ones can shut down plays before they start.
Show me the starting LBs for the season on any team and I can tell you pretty accurately if their defense will be good of not.
Give me linebackers, or give me death.
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Ok since I have already provided 4 deacades of examples of proof. The burden of proof now falls on you.Dark Horse wrote Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:17 pm:What, pick teams from over two decades ago before it was a passing league who also had great defensive lines and secondaries??
Name a good defense with bad linebackers.
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