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Sir Raider Duck, OMS » Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:53 pm
And my point is that the best ability is availability. Waller hasn't had that for three years, and is at the stage of his career where injuries will get worse, not better. Add his laziness in 2022, and we were lucky to get a third-rounder for him.NoClapsPlease wrote Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:47 pm:I could probably be an improvement too if we comparing a full season vs 1/4 of one
Attyla » Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:55 pm
I dislike the argument that since Waller was injured any guy who can play 17 games is an improvement. It frankly is just not so. Waller has talent, we saw it when he was on the field. Any scrub we sign who is not as talented is just that....not as talented. Waller was knicked up a lot the last two years, not his fault. And the guy did not have a history of injury.FLORIDARAYDAH » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
And OJ played 17 games once in his career and didn't start a lot of them. Put up awful stats. As of now we are way worse at TE but there is a lot of talent in the draftAttyla wrote Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:55 pm:I dislike the argument that since Waller was injured any guy who can play 17 games is an improvement. It frankly is just not so. Waller has talent, we saw it when he was on the field. Any scrub we sign who is not as talented is just that....not as talented. Waller was knicked up a lot the last two years, not his fault. And the guy did not have a history of injury.
I am not expecting a talent on the same level as Waller, and there are not that many guys who have his size/speed and hands. But if a guy can play 17 games and not have good hands, not use his size well and is not a good blocker, that is not an improvement. It is just a body they throw out there who is not injured.
Raiderz4life » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:16 pm
Championship here we come!WolfRaider » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:37 pm
Some people are never happy. I think they want us to prove them right at this pointBluegrassRaider » Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:57 pm
We didn't sign Kelce, Kittles, Andrews, or maybe Hockinsom so compared to Waller's healthy high end getting worse than that is baked into the cake.RunOverByHubbard » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 pm
Just looked at Howard's stats (all with Tampa Bay) and they are not all that great esp. the last three years. Ivan will be upset as Howard is not a "TD maker." What happened to retained Foster Moreau? He has visited the Saints and the Bengals. I hope he resigns with us as I have always thought he was pretty good.BigJerk » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:57 pm
I get the feeling he's looking for somebody to to drop a money bag or two.RunOverByHubbard wrote Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 pm:Just looked at Howard's stats (all with Tampa Bay) and they are not all that great esp. the last three years. Ivan will be upset as Howard is not a "TD maker." What happened to retained Foster Moreau? He has visited the Saints and the Bengals. I hope he resigns with us as I have always thought he was pretty good.
eastcoast128 » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:02 pm
I would have preferred Moreau get resigned. I thought at times he out played Waller and did a lot of the dirty work. Played banged up and worked hard to come back from his ACL tearDanKD » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:08 pm
I agree I'd prefer him too but maybe he wants to go somewhere else. I think a couple of these guys may be Carr guys who don't want to come backeastcoast128 wrote Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:02 pm:I would have preferred Moreau get resigned. I thought at times he out played Waller and did a lot of the dirty work. Played banged up and worked hard to come back from his ACL tear
BlackShield » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:43 pm
moreau played at lsu, and from louisiana. that plus playing with his former qb may be an opportunity he doesn't want to pass up. time will tell.RunOverByHubbard wrote Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 pm:Just looked at Howard's stats (all with Tampa Bay) and they are not all that great esp. the last three years. Ivan will be upset as Howard is not a "TD maker." What happened to retained Foster Moreau? He has visited the Saints and the Bengals. I hope he resigns with us as I have always thought he was pretty good.
Ocoordinator » Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:28 pm
Pretty good TE class, Foster isn’t signed anywhere else yet (not that I’ve seen anyway), not much playing time behind Gronk and if he’s cheap, why not?