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  Amish Cabal » Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:17 am

silver_ghost wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 1:19 am:If something untoward happens to Jalen Carter in LV, the same Raider fans would turn around and call the GM an idiot who drafted Carter after so many red flags.

Maybe. But I bet any rookie of ours put up 6 pressures and a sack game 1 from the interior DL on limited snaps, most wouldn't blame them for taking the chance. Hire the MFer a driver.

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  Officerrob » Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:44 am

After watching the tape, he got off the snap MUCH better against the Bills. But he's all bull rush, he's gotta develop some other moves because he's just too one dimensional

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  heavyD » Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:54 am

Raidernation1979 wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:19 am:Tyree was never a polished player. He was drafted on measure bowls and ceiling. It was always stayed it from day one he had to be taught how to effectively rush the passer in the NFL.

I guess the question has to be asked if the Raiders are in position to pick developmental players when the defense badly needs difference makers on day one? If Wilson takes 2-3 years to reach his potential, this regime may not even be around to see it and then he’s a year or two from getting paid which means the team didn’t get to capitalize overly on his rookie deal. A big part of the NFL these days is having drafted players at playing levels that far exceed their rookie contracts. It’s why it’s so important to find players that contribute early into their tenure as it gives teams much more roster flexibility and keeps them from needing to overpay in free agency for declining veterans like Jones.

If you are a perennial winning team you can afford to take a flyer on developmental players because there is a base of stability and winning to help the player progress slower. When these players are picked by bad teams, the player is thrown into the fire with middling talent and coaching which is not ideal developmental conditions. No winning culture, no quality talent to work with everyday, no cohesiveness. It’s why players like Key never had a chance to excel as a Raider.

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  CWood24 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:56 am

Raidernation1979 wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:19 am:Tyree was never a polished player. He was drafted on measure bowls and ceiling. It was always stayed it from day one he had to be taught how to effectively rush the passer in the NFL.

We all knew the plan that he would sit behind Chandler Jones this year learning getting limited snaps whilst developing also adding that it would give Wilson time to make up the time he missed in camp

The problem is that Jones had his meltdown & in typical Raiders fashion the plan goes out the window

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  RaiderFan1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:30 am

mranquales wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:18 am:Kolton Miller was good from day 1, he just got injured and played through it his rookie year.

Thats dumb, I can see you don't know the difference between an apple and an orange.... no wonder you struggle so much here

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  RaiderFan1 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:36 am

CWood24 wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:56 am:We all knew the plan that he would sit behind Chandler Jones this year learning getting limited snaps whilst developing also adding that it would give Wilson time to make up the time he missed in camp

The problem is that Jones had his meltdown & in typical Raiders fashion the plan goes out the window

Exactly, if Chandler was playing, and playing his usual mediocre ball at best,, all these guys would be chanting to get Tyree on the field instead of Chandler Jones, well now you got your wish and this is what you get when you have a guy that needs to develop, missed the entire preseason, and coming off a major injury...

And For all you guys wanting to see O'Connell on the field, I suspect the same exact thing would happen... he would struggle, he would play like shit, he would lose, these guys need to develop

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  RaiderCed » Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:51 am

Who? Who is Tyree Wilson....did he make a play last Sunday? Must of miss it.

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  RI RAIDER » Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:45 am

I get it that everyone is disgusted with our putrid draft record (and record overall). It really blows. I love all the proclamations of certainty and the Monday morning quarterbacking that is taking place on this board after a couple of games. Some want to stick their chests out and say "I was right". There is nothing definitive (one way or another) at this point in time. I do not give a fuck who is/was right (myself included) as the front of the jersey is all that matters. I know NFL executives are scowering our site as we speak trying to hire the next great GM (we all know the ones that are ALWAYS right).

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  ALLRAIDERWORLD21 » Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:52 pm

Officerrob wrote Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:44 am:After watching the tape, he got off the snap MUCH better against the Bills. But he's all bull rush, he's gotta develop some other moves because he's just too one dimensional

Yes, he needs a spin move

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  GUYDON » Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:55 pm

BoKnows81 wrote Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:35 am:Again, why pick a guy under these conditions? There were guys available to help immediately. Regardless of the outcome, it was the wrong decision.

/\ this 10000% if Wilson, was injured , not ready, and the other 100 excuses given, why are we drafting him?
Its what I asked on draft day when we passed on Gonzalez.
Im still asking 3 weeks in to the season.
Just another awful decision by the Raiders that sets us back yet again, and after 20 years of this it almost feels like its on purpose at this point.