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We had 3 decent DC's in the last 15 years and KNJ was one of them. The stats also back that up.
You seem to have a problem with the truth when it doesn't suit your narrative.
To this day I wish we could replicate how good the Raiders were at getting turnovers under KNJ than any time since.
Bradley was so underrated with his 14th YPG and 26th PPG. You could argue our defense was the real reason in our making the playoffs that year.
Later that year he said he would play the QB position as he saw fit
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Reggie’s last draft unearthed Miller, Key, Hurst, and Parker who are still NFL players. Gruden and Mayock in 2020 had 2 x 1st round picks, 3 x 3rd round picks and 2 x 4th round picks and the two 4th round picks John Simpson and Amik Robertson are the only players still in the NFL. Like seriously how do you spin those 1st and 3rd round picks into absolutely nothing? You almost have to go out of your way to blow all those picks on players that are out of the league in two years.Attyla wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:03 am:Amazingly, Reggie finds some redemption after some of his "busts" find renewed life outside our dumbest organization in the NFL. I'm pretty sure some of those picks that did not work out at all would have been decent if we had not ruined them.
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Yep, it is actually embarrassing. Seriously, I am floored by what he did. If we had hit on just half of those guys, we would not be sitting here right now blaming the guys who had to pick up the pieces from those god awful drafts. Gruden was a crap talent evaluator and that goes back to Tampa back in the day. Amazingly, back then the one guy he hit on was the RB, just like he did here.heavyD wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:28 am:Reggie’s last draft unearthed Miller, Key, Hurst, and Parker who are still NFL players. Gruden and Mayock in 2020 had 2 x 1st round picks, 3 x 3rd round picks and 2 x 4th round picks and the two 4th round picks John Simpson and Amik Robertson are the only players still in the NFL. Like seriously how do you spin those 1st and 3rd round picks into absolutely nothing? You almost have to go out of your way to blow all those picks on players that anre out of the league in two years.
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And it was Mayock who wanted JG to look at Jacobs so he doesn't get full credit for finding himAttyla wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:34 am:Yep, it is actually embarrassing. Seriously, I am floored by what he did. If we had hit on just half of those guys, we would not be sitting here right now blaming the guys who had to pick up the pieces from those god awful drafts. Gruden was a crap talent evaluator and that goes back to Tampa back in the day. Amazingly, back then the one guy he hit on was the RB, just like he did here.
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That's not a bad take at all actually.Attyla wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:58 am:so your defending that defense because that shit defense was better than the shit defenses since then?
Wow, you just keep one upping yourself with bad takes
We had 3 decent DC's in the last 15 years and KNJ was one of them. The stats also back that up.
You seem to have a problem with the truth when it doesn't suit your narrative.
To this day I wish we could replicate how good the Raiders were at getting turnovers under KNJ than any time since.
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The stats prove that KNJ had one of our best defenses in the past decade. We were actually consistent at getting TO's too.Sir Raider Duck, OMS wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:13 pm:
2016 | 26th YPG 375.1 | 20th PPG 24.1
2017 | 23rd YPG 350.1 | 20th PPG 23.3
2018 | 26th YPG 381.4 | 32nd PPG 29.2
2019 | 19th YPG 354.8 | 24th PPG 26.2
2020 | 25th YPG 389.2 | 30th PPG 29.9
2021 | 14th YPG 337.2 | 26th PPG 25.8
2022 | 28th YPG 365.6 | 26th PPG 24.6
Bradley was so underrated with his 14th YPG and 26th PPG. You could argue our defense was the real reason in our making the playoffs that year.
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Attyla
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Getting turnovers does not make a DC good. Some of those INTs were simply a guy in the right place at the right time. And I have no problem with the truth. The truth is, those defenses were very very bad other than a couple bright spots, Mack most especially.mranquales wrote Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:47 am:That's not a bad take at all actually.
We had 3 decent DC's in the last 15 years and KNJ was one of them. The stats also back that up.
You seem to have a problem with the truth when it doesn't suit your narrative.
To this day I wish we could replicate how good the Raiders were at getting turnovers under KNJ than any time since.
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But Musgrave wanted a new contract and a raise. In that case, you can't just leave Reggie out of it.Jeevo wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:04 am:JDR fired the coordinator who had a top 5 unit and kept the guy who had a dumpster fire.
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Yes. His big thing was he wanted more control at the line, which lead to the following years of calling audibles every play. Also, Musgrave didn't coddle Lil Derk and used select language when coaching him up. He also made him work on his weaknesses. But by 2017, Lil Derk had arrived.Opoponax50 wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:52 am:IIRC, wasn't Carr part of that---that he was whining that the OC wasn't letting him be all he could be (or some shit like that)?
Later that year he said he would play the QB position as he saw fit
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Bible study boys.Jeevo wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:16 pm:There were certainly rumors that Carr was involved with the decision to promote his guy to OC.
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Looks like he is doubling down on the lieJTRaider wrote Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:23 pm:Not sure why you keep trying to sell us this lie.
Gruden was shit canned Oct 11, '21 and the Raiders were 3-2 at the time.
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