BoKnows81 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:38 am
Sold!RickRyb wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:35 am:Reuter Mock Draft - Raiders
Round 1 # 13 - JJ McCarthy
Round 2 #44 - T'Vondre Sweat
Round 3 #77 - Layden Robinson
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-20 ... und-trades
chucker » Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:33 pm
My feeling at the moment is that I'd rather draft JJ McCarthy at 13, or with a cheaper move up ahead of some QB needy teams, than sell the farm for one of the top 3 or than drafting more finished products in Nix or Penix. Favoring McCarthy over Nix/Penix is largely based on age and potential further development that happens both physically and mentally for QBs in their early 20s. McCarthy is getting mocked higher lately, but mocks can be way off so you never know.DanKD » Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:10 pm
Our best bet is to get that guy on a rookie contract and use that window to completeWolfRaider wrote Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:00 pm:We need a dude at QB.
But also, we’re not going to get a better QB than PM. Let’s be realistic. We need a guy that can compete with him and then have a roaster that is better than them. Giving away too much draft capital is the worse thing we can do.
I think people believe Jayden Daniels is a sure thing elite QB. He’s not, he’s for the potential to be a Lamar Jackson but he could also be a smaller Fields who’s constantly hurt because he doesn’t look after his body when running with the ball.
I’m against trading up into the top 3. But above the other 3 QB needy teams ahead of us, sure!
Ocoordinator » Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:24 pm
This might be one of your better posts. I can actually agree with most of what you say except on JJ.Ivanavich wrote Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:24 am:No! to the OP.
This is not the year for the Raiders to draft a QB in the 1st round. No! at #13. No! at #3! No! at #31!
I estimate that the Raiders roster talent pre-draft is about the 20th best roster. Only a foolish GM would waste a 1st round pick trying to upgrade the QB spot while weaking the future ability of the team to upgrade the rest of the 20th best roster. Foolish.
What's even worse, is that the 2024 1st round will be loaded with over rated players. COVID extra seasons. NIL millions in the hand.
This is the draft, 2024. to trade DOWN and out of the 1st round completely... to feast on the 2-5 rounders who are more accurately rated and less likely to pass on their NFL salary to party off of their NIL millions.
And... don't get me started on all the players from crappy colleges NOT to draft in round 1.
Alabama.
LSU (they did get lucky recently with a WR).
Notre Dame (not a top program in 30 years)
Clemson (they recruit top athletes who can't understand the game of football).
South Carolina.
Boston College (the Notre Dame of the East Coast).
Colorado (see Clemson).
I don't want these colleges in round 1. Period. Their recruiting practices dictate their players types. Simple economics.
As far as the QBs go:
1. Williams has a red flag. So, absolutely No! on being a Raiders draft pick.
2. The North Carolina guy is a 'height, weight and arm' guy. 'Maybe' on him - possible long term starter, but Carr type.
3. No QB from LSU, so Daniels is No! on being a Raiders draft pick.
4. The Michigan QB is so bad, that Harbaugh NEVER gave him a chance vs. cupcakes to show off his elite? QB skills. I trust that Harbaugh knows that his QB is O' Connell level bad.
5. Penix is a penis joke. No!
6. Nix is O' Connell level bad. No!
[Note: all the O' Connell level bad QBs in the draft are better pocket players and better runners. O' Connell with mobility.]
So. No trade for Daniels. Or Williams. Or anybody else.
No QB in the 1st round at all.
Read about the Jets situation and you will find QB Zach Wilson to be the cheap QB that the Raiders need. Zach Wilson is equal to any QB in this draft... and a hell of a lot cheaper with guaranteed upside if you can fix him.
Couldn't pass this thread up.
raiders93 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:03 pm
JJ seems to be the buzziest prospect right now. It’s hard to tell with him imo. I normally hate the idea of picking a QB because they’re young - who knows if that means they’ll get better. But his advanced metrics seem to paint a much better picture than his volume stats and his character references all seem to speak incredibly highly of him as a leader/competitor. He’s tough to mock.chucker wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:33 pm:My feeling at the moment is that I'd rather draft JJ McCarthy at 13, or with a cheaper move up ahead of some QB needy teams, than sell the farm for one of the top 3 or than drafting more finished products in Nix or Penix. Favoring McCarthy over Nix/Penix is largely based on age and potential further development that happens both physically and mentally for QBs in their early 20s. McCarthy is getting mocked higher lately, but mocks can be way off so you never know.
Oaktown Superman » Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:28 pm
Carr played horribly in the last game of his career and it caused a bit of concern. Fast forward ten years later and he’s still the same guy. I’m okay with Penix in the second, but it’s not like I have a say in who they draft. Whoever it is, I will support him.SkullCrusher wrote Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:05 pm:Daniels didn't even get far enough to play Michigan. Always way too much weight on last game played in college. Your injury points are solid enough.
Oaktown Superman » Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:30 pm
Wasn’t Joe Burrow a one year wonder, too? But he had the best WR to throw to. These were both used in evaluating him. Same with Daniels. The team that drafts him will draft the best player in this draft.CWood24 wrote Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:34 pm:As big a red flag as a possibly one season wonder who could be an injury waiting to happen
As much as i like Daniels potential he has two big red flags
1. Was he a one season wonder? As he has only really had one elite college year
2. Can his body hold up to the hits he’ll take in the NFL? He’ll have to change the way he plays as he cant be taking those huge hits in the NFL that he took in college
Oaktown Superman » Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:31 pm
I’m very serious. He’s the best player in this draft. And I’ll stand behind this statement until proven otherwise.Rdrfn64 wrote Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:17 pm:You can't be serious! Way too much to gamble. Odds are you end up with a possible franchise QB and a probable team around him that's lacking. Take those picks and make the roster the difference. It's easier than hoping 1 player can.
STHfrontrow » Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm
Aren't some of these QB's being talked about like Hendon Hooker from last year who went in the 3rd?16 to 88 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:48 pm
Long ways to go. Anthony Richardson this time last year was ranked by pretty much every site I frequented right around a bottom 2nd mid 3rd. After the combine he was in the top 10. As for Hooker he could turn into something? Sitting and learning behind the likes of Goff is not a bad thing. I don't see Detroit parting ways with him. Probably the plan was for him to sit a year or two before bringing him in.STHfrontrow wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm:Aren't some of these QB's being talked about like Hendon Hooker from last year who went in the 3rd?
He's just sitting on the Lions bench. Worth trading for?
SkullCrusher » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:59 pm
SkullCrusher wrote Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:05 pm:Daniels didn't even get far enough to play Michigan. Always way too much weight on last game played in college. Your injury points are solid enough.
And we all know there is no one way to measure someone that applies to everyone. And if lighting strikes once, doesn't mean it will again, otherwise there would be a pattern and the code would be cracked.Oaktown Superman wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:28 pm:Carr played horribly in the last game of his career and it caused a bit of concern. Fast forward ten years later and he’s still the same guy. I’m okay with Penix in the second, but it’s not like I have a say in who they draft. Whoever it is, I will support him.
CWood24 » Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:04 pm
For every Joe Burrows there’s a Zach Wilson, Dwayne Haskins or Mitch Trubisky waiting round the cornerOaktown Superman wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:30 pm:Wasn’t Joe Burrow a one year wonder, too? But he had the best WR to throw to. These were both used in evaluating him. Same with Daniels. The team that drafts him will draft the best player in this draft.
chucker » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:13 pm
I think the combine moved Richardson from a likely first round pick to a likely high first round pick. The only early mock I actually found with a quick search was Kiper who had him going at 9 in his first mock in January of 2023.16 to 88 wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:48 pm:Long ways to go. Anthony Richardson this time last year was ranked by pretty much every site I frequented right around a bottom 2nd mid 3rd. After the combine he was in the top 10. As for Hooker he could turn into something? Sitting and learning behind the likes of Goff is not a bad thing. I don't see Detroit parting ways with him. Probably the plan was for him to sit a year or two before bringing him in.
Spirit in Black » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:19 pm
We need a game changer at QB and with McCarthy I just don't see it. Is he significantly better than AOC with a full training camp & off-season? I don't want to draft a QB just to draft one and we're left with just a decent player, nothing special. Then we're also likely committed to giving him at least 3 years because we did draft him in the first.chucker wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:33 pm:My feeling at the moment is that I'd rather draft JJ McCarthy at 13, or with a cheaper move up ahead of some QB needy teams, than sell the farm for one of the top 3 or than drafting more finished products in Nix or Penix. Favoring McCarthy over Nix/Penix is largely based on age and potential further development that happens both physically and mentally for QBs in their early 20s. McCarthy is getting mocked higher lately, but mocks can be way off so you never know.