Sold My Soul » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:56 pm
Bring back the DC thread.I hear he's working for DraftKings16 to 88 wrote Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:44 pm:Oh, and I think it's safe to say Mayocks days as a GM in the NFL are over.
srv5490 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:54 pm
Oh for fuck's sake. You all act like you never chill with a little bit of meth and unlawful firearms sometimes - get off your high horses. The man gave everything he had for us on the field, let him live his life.Be_Easy_25 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:59 pm
Meth is a hell of a drug.RunOverByHubbard » Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:36 pm
Talk about bad first round draft choices. And someone here was arguing that SeaBass was our worst.Attyla » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:04 am
oh, I am actually very much a personal accountability guy. Ruggs and others are responsible for their actions. That is an absolute. I do attribute some accountability to the guys who are in positions of authority. That would be the head coach. These are very young men who become overnight millionaires and they have significant amounts of time to do as they please. It is why the NFL holds classes on personal conduct and why teams do so as well. Belicheck is the extreme example of the system failing but ultimately the person who killed is responsible and is punished. I do not know what Bill did or did not do to fulfill his portion of his job in training his players on personal conduct. I do know that in a very short time we see 3 examples of the failure somewhere on the part of the Raiders, and by default Gruden as he represented the Raiders at the player level. But Bill coached how long and had this one glaring incident? There many be more, I do not follow this part of the game closely unless it hits the national stage or it is a Raider.Jeevo wrote Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:52 pm: It’s pretty obvious that you are not a “huge personal accountability” guy. How much blame would you say that Belichik shoulders for Hernandez’s murder(s) ?
BoKnows81 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:20 am
Ahh the world we live in....Attyla » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:32 am
There was a girl in my town when I was a kid, she was about 2 years old. This was in a time when kids were left to themselves all the time. This child named Amy was in her front yard. Just playing by herself. She was taken, raped and murdered. It shocked our entire town. It never happened. People just did not think that kids were ever going to be in danger. The guy went to prison where I learned he died in the last few years still inside. Who is at fault for the child's death? Certainly the scum who did the act. The parent? That person did what all parents did back then. They were in a position of authority over the child. Do they bear some responsibility for her death?BoKnows81 wrote Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:20 am:Ahh the world we live in....
"Ruggs was just trying to impress his girlfriend"
"People in authority should take some blame"
No, you can't change an idiot from being an idiot. I don't care how many "training classes" you put them through or how many mentors you give them. Personal accountability. That's it. Period.
BoKnows81 » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:54 am
I know you've been posting on here for a long time and you seem to come across as level headed but surely you are not comparing the parents decision to leave a helpless 2 year old child alone to the willing actions of grown ass men. Are you willing to blame Ruggs and Arnettes parents? There couldn't be more of an apples to oranges comparison.Attyla wrote Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:32 am:There was a girl in my town when I was a kid, she was about 2 years old. This was in a time when kids were left to themselves all the time. This child named Amy was in her front yard. Just playing by herself. She was taken, raped and murdered. It shocked our entire town. It never happened. People just did not think that kids were ever going to be in danger. The guy went to prison where I learned he died in the last few years still inside. Who is at fault for the child's death? Certainly the scum who did the act. The parent? That person did what all parents did back then. They were in a position of authority over the child. Do they bear some responsibility for her death?
Sir Raider Duck, OMS » Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:16 am
Seabass was a good, at times very good, NFL kicker. But his pre-draft hype (and resulting draft position) was of a transformational player. The predraft billing with Seabass was he would turn the 50-yard FG into a gimme. You wouldn't have to worry about your kickoff coverage because every kickoff would be a touchback. Stuff like that. And Seabass didn't come near that kind of impact.RunOverByHubbard wrote Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:36 pm:Talk about bad first round draft choices. And someone here was arguing that SeaBass was our worst.
Attyla » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:25 pm
no certainly not. You stated that you disagreed that a coach should shoulder some of the blame. I actually never stated that. I said he should bear some responsibility for the actions of his players. In like fashion, Amy's mother bears some responsibility for the tragic events that unfolded that fateful day. It does not absolve Ruggs or Arnette of any responsibility for their actions and the penalties they earn after. Gruden was not disciplined nor was Amy's mom punished. It is not about that. It is about taking a moral assessment of one's actions or inactions that may have contributed to those decisions. I do not know what happened behind closed doors, but I could build a case to say it is possible that Gruden should shoulder some responsibility for the meltdowns when he was the coach. And in my mind, I think I could build a pretty strong case.BoKnows81 wrote Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:54 am:I know you've been posting on here for a long time and you seem to come across as level headed but surely you are not comparing the parents decision to leave a helpless 2 year old child alone to the willing actions of grown ass men. Are you willing to blame Ruggs and Arnettes parents? There couldn't be more of an apples to oranges comparison.