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So maybe it's not all qbs that don't farewell, maybe just ones that suck. Didn't they eat our lunch under getsy with a back up qb?
Maybe it was more fields than getsy?
I mean Chicago did get to thepodium pretty fast to select a QB.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/las ... 6ab1025c31
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That doesn't mean they wouldn't be hindered in an offensive system that didn't suit their particular skills. I don't think Gannon was an elite QB. I think he just found a system and was surrounded by players that suited his skill set that enabled him to thrive. Maybe that could be what Minshew needs... maybe not. I'll lean more to not, as he's a known commodity at this point. But.... he does have things around him that could possibly be the turning point in his career (Maxx - Devante - AP) like Gannon did. It remains to be seen what young Aiden has under the hood. IMO, he just might have what it takes to flourish as a very good QB.
Another thing people seem to forget is that maturity brings a lot to the table when talking about QB's. Gannon is a perfect example. All this is just an opinion, obviously. I'm not ready to say either QB sucks and needs to be replaced as soon as possible (I know you aren't saying that either), or that Getsy is/was a bad choice............. It's all unkown at this point.
I happen to think that overall, the Raiders are presently in one of the best places they have been in for almost 25 years. The team's chemistry, unity and focus are palpable.
Yes, the offense does have an incredible hurdle to overcome as they install an entirely new scheme but something tells me that both of these QBs are in a situation where the level of support they will garner from everyone will create the conditions by which each of these QBs will be able to maximize their abilities to take their game to the next level.
I'm sorry but after being saddled with Josh McDaniels, I can only be optimistic about 2024 at this point in time.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/br ... 73fc&ei=39
The consensus seems to be that O'Connell is better, like I been saying. So no surprise there.
There is also no "consensus" that O'Connell is better. Hoyer simply said based on how O'Connell played and finished the season, he deserves the job.
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Wait wasn't Rodgers a 2x MVP with Getsy as his passing game coordinator?erickench wrote Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:41 pm:It's Getsy that I don't trust. Quarterbacks don't fare well under him. Justin Fields was a first round pick. And yet he was used as a wildcat runner instead of a quarterback. O'Connell is a super accurate quarterback with little mobility. But he can still become elite with the right coach.
So maybe it's not all qbs that don't farewell, maybe just ones that suck. Didn't they eat our lunch under getsy with a back up qb?
Maybe it was more fields than getsy?
I mean Chicago did get to thepodium pretty fast to select a QB.
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so one was shit and the other is bound for the HOF? The HOF one was a HOF QB before Getsy got ahold of him. I think the concerns regarding developing QBs under Getsy could be legitGUYDON wrote Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:03 pm:Wait wasn't Rodgers a 2x MVP with Getsy as his passing game coordinator?
So maybe it's not all qbs that don't farewell, maybe just ones that suck. Didn't they eat our lunch under getsy with a back up qb?
Maybe it was more fields than getsy?
I mean Chicago did get to thepodium pretty fast to select a QB.
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Matt LaFleur ran the offense at the packers. Just because Getsy was the passing coordinator doesnt mean he was the mastermind behind that offense. We seen a lot of QB coach or passing coordinator get promoted because they were on a good team. But once they get to offensive coordinator, they cant handle the pressure of running their own offense and fold.GUYDON wrote Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:03 pm:Wait wasn't Rodgers a 2x MVP with Getsy as his passing game coordinator?
So maybe it's not all qbs that don't farewell, maybe just ones that suck. Didn't they eat our lunch under getsy with a back up qb?
Maybe it was more fields than getsy?
I mean Chicago did get to thepodium pretty fast to select a QB.
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I guess we will find out in a couple monthsSlee wrote Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:19 pm:Matt LaFleur ran the offense at the packers. Just because Getsy was the passing coordinator doesnt mean he was the mastermind behind that offense. We seen a lot of QB coach or passing coordinator get promoted because they were on a good team. But once they get to offensive coordinator, they cant handle the pressure of running their own offense and fold.
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If our line is good Ill take O' Connell, if our line is garbage Ill take Minshew. They are completely different kinds of players.
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I think 'devloping' a QB is an over used term. I think most very good to elite QB's are just born with it. They would be what they are in just about any system/coaching environment without being 'developed'... in the true meaning of the word.Attyla wrote Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:55 pm:so one was shit and the other is bound for the HOF? The HOF one was a HOF QB before Getsy got ahold of him. I think the concerns regarding developing QBs under Getsy could be legit
That doesn't mean they wouldn't be hindered in an offensive system that didn't suit their particular skills. I don't think Gannon was an elite QB. I think he just found a system and was surrounded by players that suited his skill set that enabled him to thrive. Maybe that could be what Minshew needs... maybe not. I'll lean more to not, as he's a known commodity at this point. But.... he does have things around him that could possibly be the turning point in his career (Maxx - Devante - AP) like Gannon did. It remains to be seen what young Aiden has under the hood. IMO, he just might have what it takes to flourish as a very good QB.
Another thing people seem to forget is that maturity brings a lot to the table when talking about QB's. Gannon is a perfect example. All this is just an opinion, obviously. I'm not ready to say either QB sucks and needs to be replaced as soon as possible (I know you aren't saying that either), or that Getsy is/was a bad choice............. It's all unkown at this point.
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I see where you are going, and the great one's are certainly great for a lot of reasons that are there from the start. The lousy one's as well. But there are those who are in the middle where development is certainly real. And for the record, Montana was drafted in the 3rd round to develop behind Deberg.. That worked out pretty good. And Warner, well, we all know how that developmental QB turned out.Dr Death wrote Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:40 am: I think 'devloping' a QB is an over used term. I think most very good to elite QB's are just born with it. They would be what they are in just about any system/coaching environment without being 'developed'... in the true meaning of the word.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't be hindered in an offensive system that didn't suit their particular skills. I don't think Gannon was an elite QB. I think he just found a system and was surrounded by players that suited his skill set that enabled him to thrive. Maybe that could be what Minshew needs... maybe not. I'll lean more to not, as he's a known commodity at this point. But.... he does have things around him that could possibly be the turning point in his career (Maxx - Devante - AP) like Gannon did. It remains to be seen what young Aiden has under the hood. IMO, he just might have what it takes to flourish as a very good QB.
Another thing people seem to forget is that maturity brings a lot to the table when talking about QB's. Gannon is a perfect example. All this is just an opinion, obviously. I'm not ready to say either QB sucks and needs to be replaced as soon as possible (I know you aren't saying that either), or that Getsy is/was a bad choice............. It's all unkown at this point.
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And there was the sixth round pick... Tom Brady, who sat behind Bledsoe. Who saw that coming? You never know how things will turn out. Let's all hope it's the Raiders' turn to find a treasure.I see where you are going, and the great one's are certainly great for a lot of reasons that are there from the start. The lousy one's as well. But there are those who are in the middle where development is certainly real. And for the record, Montana was drafted in the 3rd round to develop behind Deberg.. That worked out pretty good. And Warner, well, we all know how that developmental QB turned out.
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I happen to think that overall, the Raiders are presently in one of the best places they have been in for almost 25 years. The team's chemistry, unity and focus are palpable.
Yes, the offense does have an incredible hurdle to overcome as they install an entirely new scheme but something tells me that both of these QBs are in a situation where the level of support they will garner from everyone will create the conditions by which each of these QBs will be able to maximize their abilities to take their game to the next level.
I'm sorry but after being saddled with Josh McDaniels, I can only be optimistic about 2024 at this point in time.
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Brian Hoyer With High Praise for His Pick to be Raiders' QB1
"I backed up and mentored Mac Jones as a rookie," Hoyer said during his appearance on the "Up & Adams Show" on Tuesday. "Aidan O'Connell, for being thrown into the situation that he was thrown into -- I remember sitting there at the end of the season, he was kind of just shaking his head, and he'd thought like, 'I never even thought I'd play one snap with Jimmy being the starter and you being the backup.' And so, with what he was thrust into, the progress he made -- and look, I think Gardner Minshew's a great quarterback, but I think Aidan did something in those eight weeks where he earned the respect of a lot of those players, offensive and defensive players.
"So, I think you got to let them battle it out, but at some point, you got to make a decision. And for me, with my personal connection to Aidan, I think until he proves he can't do it, I think you go with him."
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If the Chicago Bears GM understood that it was Luke Getsy and not Justin Fields who was a problem why wouldn't he let Getsy go and retain Justin Fields? Even in Pittsburgh Justin is a backup, not a starter.erickench wrote Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:41 pm:It's Getsy that I don't trust. Quarterbacks don't fare well under him. Justin Fields was a first round pick. And yet he was used as a wildcat runner instead of a quarterback. O'Connell is a super accurate quarterback with little mobility. But he can still become elite with the right coach.
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The consensus seems to be that O'Connell is better, like I been saying. So no surprise there.
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We know Minshew is a spark plug not a full time starter. We don’t know what AOC will turn out to be yet.mranquales wrote Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:30 pm::rofl: The consensus seems to be that O'Connell is better, like I been saying. So no surprise there.
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You don't need to beat your chest the few times you say something right. You're more wrong than right.mranquales wrote Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:30 pm::rofl: The consensus seems to be that O'Connell is better, like I been saying. So no surprise there.
There is also no "consensus" that O'Connell is better. Hoyer simply said based on how O'Connell played and finished the season, he deserves the job.
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