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  Attyla » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:01 pm

SkullCrusher wrote Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:47 pm:It's ridiculous to even report it since there is ZERO pads so far. Are they still learning the system and getting in sync? Sure. But we don't know anything yet, there was a report Max and Wilkins were in the backfield all day. It's stupid, there is no contact. That means nothing. It would even be dumb of them being disruptive at this point. Pads end of July.

It is reasonable to think the offense will be on the bad side of the bell curve considering all the newness. And the expectation that the offense will be out of sync into the season considering we are putting the ball in the hands of a pair of day three draft picks and asking them both to master that new system and become leaders on offense, that is a reasonable expectation. But your point is also valid, we know next to nothing other than both guys have been in the QB room learning the newness. Hopefully the learning curve is short lived

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  Oaktown Superman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:55 pm

Attyla wrote Mon May 27, 2024 12:02 pm:no

Ditto

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  Attyla » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:14 pm

Oaktown Superman wrote Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:55 pm:Ditto

my answer, in truth, is no. Until we see them put it together consistently and we see what we saw for a brief time in the locker room we would be living a lie. Optimism is based on a belief, it is not based in reality. Reality is, we have been one of the most inconsistent teams in the league, hell in sports. Two flawed playoff berths in over 20 years, 8 or so playoff berths in 30 years. The reality is, we have had an existence based on false prophets touting our greatness and hope. Great, have hope, I go into each season with hope that the next clown is gonna get us right. Maybe this clown has the secret sauce. Fine, prove it. That is the realist in me. I am not pessimistic, I am a realist. Show me and I believe. anything short of that? Get the fuck out, you are the next king or clown based on the results and not just a few games, hell no, and not based on one season. Show me sustained change and I will buy in. Sport is a results based business. and for the last 30 years we have been dangling a sign out the door, "going out of business" and that is the reality. Turnip may make a ton of money, good for him. But not a dime is because of me. Even the tickets I own to the NO game are secondary market. He got not one red cent from me.

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  Oaktown Superman » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:31 pm

Attyla wrote Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:14 pm:my answer, in truth, is no. Until we see them put it together consistently and we see what we saw for a brief time in the locker room we would be living a lie. Optimism is based on a belief, it is not based in reality. Reality is, we have been one of the most inconsistent teams in the league, hell in sports. Two flawed playoff berths in over 20 years, 8 or so playoff berths in 30 years. The reality is, we have had an existence based on false prophets touting our greatness and hope. Great, have hope, I go into each season with hope that the next clown is gonna get us right. Maybe this clown has the secret sauce. Fine, prove it. That is the realist in me. I am not pessimistic, I am a realist. Show me and I believe. anything short of that? Get the fuck out, you are the next king or clown based on the results and not just a few games, hell no, and not based on one season. Show me sustained change and I will buy in. Sport is a results based business. and for the last 30 years we have been dangling a sign out the door, "going out of business" and that is the reality. Turnip may make a ton of money, good for him. But not a dime is because of me. Even the tickets I own to the NO game are secondary market. He got not one red cent from me.

My first ever game i watched in any sport was the “Mistake by the Lake” and I saw the Raiders helmet and that was all it took. I was a fan that very moment at only 9. I say this to say I’ve seen the ultimate high (2 SB wins) and ultimate low(2-14, taking Russell # 1 overall…ugh!!!), and everything in between. I want to be optimistic but the last 20+ years has left me protecting myself like an armadillo by rolling up in a ball. I liked the ending of the season, but even that was 5-4 and a 3-0 loss at home to the Vikings. I’m not buying the hype they have a top-10 defense. Things ebb and flow in sports, so I think they’re closer to 15-20 than 10, but I’m armadilloing(a new verb ha ha), to protect myself.

Once the season starts and progresses, we will get a better feel for how good, or bad, this team is. At Dolts and at Ravens is far from an ideal start to the season. I think 0-2 is a real possibility, so I’m not buying this hype just yet.

I’ll close with this from the movie El Dorado:

Milt: You've got a lot of faith in me, don't ya, Nelse?
Nelse McLeod: Faith can move mountains, Milt, but it can't beat a faster draw. There's only three men I know with his kind of speed. One's dead. The other's me. And the third is Cole Thornton.
Cole: There's a fourth.
Nelse McLeod: Which one are you?
Cole: I'm Thornton.
[Milt withdraws]
Nelse McLeod: Aren't you glad you didn't try, Milt? Pick up your guns, both of you, real easy.
Cole: Like he said, real easy.

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  Sold My Soul » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:29 pm

Amish Cabal wrote Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:26 am:Some good Friday morning reading from Walter Football.

https://walterfootball.com/offseason2024lv.php
2024 NFL Season Preview: Las Vegas Raiders

They're projecting 10-7.

Be careful posting Walter Football articles as some here may consider you not as smart as themselves.

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  GUYDON » Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:32 pm

I'm very optimistic this year, despite Rosie O'Connell and Mustachio not practicing well.

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  crowbar » Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:48 pm

Coach AP says that the offense has been installed.

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  crowbar » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:24 pm

This team has 29 coaches to help them get better.

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  Sold My Soul » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:15 pm

crowbar wrote Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:24 pm:This team has 29 coaches to help them get better.

29..... Shocked AP hasn't made it an even 30. It just sounds better....

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MG ... /giphy.gif

Is there going to be a cut down date for the coaches ...like the players...

Who the fuck we going to blame when shit goes sideways...

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MG ... /giphy.gif

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  crowbar » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:20 pm

Sold My Soul wrote Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:15 pm:29..... Shocked AP hasn't made it an even 30. It just sounds better....

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MG ... /giphy.gif

Is there going to be a cut down date for the coaches ...like the players...

Who the fuck we going to blame when shit goes sideways...

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MG ... /giphy.gif

All I heard was coach talking to people from a podcast person saying the Raiders have 29 coaches.The podcaster had the recording and was playing it.

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  Opoponax50 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:35 pm

KillerRaider30 wrote Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:22 pm:I disagree Epps is average but everythingis accurate as i see it.
Also 10 wins is 2 more than last year. McDaniels cost us more than 2 games. Hoyer? Really? That's one.

I'd also count the first Chargers game. I've never suspected a coach of sabotaging a player, but that's exactly what it looked like to me (McDickface sabotaging O'Connell).

Anyway, I remember the very first offseason magazine I bought when I was 10. That was back in 1980 and I don't remember the name of the magazine. IIRC, they picked the Raiders to finish 7-9. That prediction aged like a fine turd in the sun.

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  signal » Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:20 am

Opoponax50 wrote Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:35 pm:I'd also count the first Chargers game. I've never suspected a coach of sabotaging a player, but that's exactly what it looked like to me (McDickface sabotaging O'Connell).

Anyway, I remember the very first offseason magazine I bought when I was 10. That was back in 1980 and I don't remember the name of the magazine. IIRC, they picked the Raiders to finish 7-9. That prediction aged like a fine turd in the sun.

Exactly what I saw in that game.

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  Attyla » Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:53 am

Opoponax50 wrote Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:35 pm:I'd also count the first Chargers game. I've never suspected a coach of sabotaging a player, but that's exactly what it looked like to me (McDickface sabotaging O'Connell).

Anyway, I remember the very first offseason magazine I bought when I was 10. That was back in 1980 and I don't remember the name of the magazine. IIRC, they picked the Raiders to finish 7-9. That prediction aged like a fine turd in the sun.

The 1980 season was a season of change. Pastorini was our starter but he went down paving the way for Plunkett. Had we stuck with Pastorini, that 7-9 record was likely dead on. But Jim had gotten his chance to heal up and get his mind set to the Raider way of playing and took us back to our style of ball, and even then we were the wildcard.

That is what set us up for a few years of final glory before the wheels fell off, playing our style of football. Great defense and a gritty offense. Once we lost that identity, we were lost as a team. Hoping Pierce gets us back, but not sure if it will happen. On paper it appears to be where we are headed, but paper is often just the stuff you wipe your backside with.

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  Attyla » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:09 am

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-teams- ... 03205.html

Interesting podcast, man they bagged on the Saints HARD. No hope for anything other than middle of the road. I am really looking forward to seeing that game live in December