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Re: NFL Releases Anthem Policy

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  mad stork 83 » Thu May 24, 2018 10:07 am

grosse gurke wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:43 am:Im not ignoring anything. Disrespecting the flag by not standing is your right under the constitution. However...just because it is your right...doesnt mean there are not consequences. I personally dont find it disrespectful...maybe lazy...but whatever...it doesnt bother me.
The real issue for me is since when does an employee have more power then the boss? Can you name any instance where customers are held to the same standards as employees? Do you wear a hair net to eat at a restaurant? Do you wear a tie to shop for a car? I could go on and on....but the basic principle is that fans that go to games are the customers and the players are the employees.
Thinking about this further, the boss has no authority over his employee. He can say that an employee has to where a shirt and tie to work but if the employee shows up in jeans and t-shirt, the boss cannot compel him to change his clothing. The only recourse is termination.

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  signal » Thu May 24, 2018 10:08 am

SLVR and Black wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 am:Yes. And the customer is always right, they know what they want and it's up to business to give it to them. Lose the customer base and the product can't survive. It's as simple as that.
This I can agree with. This move by the NFL is a PR move that is a business decision. It has NOTHING to do with patriotism.

Further to the point, anyone thinking standing for a song makes one patriotic....well, you have set the bar pretty fucking low.

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  grosse gurke » Thu May 24, 2018 10:15 am

mad stork 83 wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:49 am:how does the employee have more power than the boss in this situation? Owners are free to cut anyone whose behavior they don't like. Players don't have the power to just leave because they don't like the owner's rules. I am really not sure what you are getting at. I
In the end...both have the power. Employees can quit and employers can cut someone. However with guaranteed $...it gets a little trickier. IMO....owners dont want the players to do anything that will hurt ratings or revenue streams. It has literally nothing to do with disrespecting the flag. In this case...the employees were flexing their power by kneeling and now owners are trying walk a fine line by not openly treading on players rights..while saving face in the eyes of its customers. What would happen if a player decided to hold up a sign during the anthem? The owners needed to do something...and this is about as weak as they could be and still look like they care about the issue.

And as far as entitlement....if you pay for a product...dont you expect some kind of entitlement? I buy a tv...am I not entitled to a working product that meets the specifications I paid for? Isnt the customer always entitled to some degree?

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  NoClapsPlease » Thu May 24, 2018 10:17 am

speedkills21 wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:53 am:Entitlement are the Doug Baldwin comments hes insulting "drunk fans" etc... total let them eat cake elitism you may not like those fans but they are the ones essentially paying your pay check. Pay for tickets, sunday ticket, buy jerseys beers at those concessions. You be playing in a field for 10 bucks a game if it wasn't for them. Sure maybe some of those fans are not the most educated, but they basically are why you have a job, show some respect.
Thank god i'm not insecure. Only an insecure man would think this way. The root and motivation of this type of thinking is jealousy and envy. You see big, strong, athletic men running up and down the field, making millions - while you and I live fairly regular lives.

Jealousy/Envy is a very dangerous emotion - it breeds all kind of issues, sort of like the ones we have now. Luckily, not all men think like this, just the one's who feel as though they should be entitled to everything, and if they can't have it, they'll concede on their own terms. The terms here are to "play ball and shut up." Pure insecurity. I'm thankful that I can enjoy a football game without feeling upset that someone who really doesn't owe me ANYTHING, is making more money than me.

These athletes don't owe you shit.

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  NoClapsPlease » Thu May 24, 2018 10:19 am

SLVR and Black wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 am:Yes. And the customer is always right, they know what they want and it's up to business to give it to them. Lose the customer base and the product can't survive. It's as simple as that.
Thanks for owning up to the BS dialogue!

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  grosse gurke » Thu May 24, 2018 10:20 am

SLVR and Black wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 am:Yes. And the customer is always right, they know what they want and it's up to business to give it to them. Lose the customer base and the product can't survive. It's as simple as that.
Yes!

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  RI RAIDER » Thu May 24, 2018 10:20 am

HITMAN wrote Thu May 24, 2018 8:58 am: Most wealthy men are like that, however let's just say I cannot tolerate the bullshit that permeates from that fuck nut at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...
Which one? You have to be more specific. The do nothing spineless one that spent and traveled more than every president in the history of the US (and also used to office to gain his wealth) or the loud mouth twitter addicted crazy one who had wealth (whether given to him or not) before he went into office.

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  signal » Thu May 24, 2018 10:26 am

RI RAIDER wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:20 am:Which one? You have to be more specific. The do nothing spineless one that spent and traveled more than every president in the history of the US (and also used to office to gain his wealth) or the loud mouth twitter addicted crazy one who had wealth (whether given to him or not) before he went into office.
I think he means the loud mouth twitter addicted crazy one that dodged the draft but now thinks he is a spokesperson for what is patriotic behavior and what is not patriotic behavior.

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  Attyla » Thu May 24, 2018 10:27 am

protests have long been subject to discipline by the man. when the cause is justified, it gives strength to the protest....

bring it on NFL....power to the people.

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  kinz » Thu May 24, 2018 10:28 am

grosse gurke wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:25 am:
Of course it was. My point is simply that it is an option that is out there. I have no problem in helping people who need help. But there needs to be an equal investment. Give me 3 years in the military and I will help pay for your college. Great. If you are anti military...give me 3 years in the peace corps and I will help pay for your college. I just think you need to have a stake in the game.

In college...it was easy to tell whos parents were paying for their school and the people that were paying (even partially) their own way. Just look at who showed up to class. Free education doesnt work imo. The only way I see that happening is if it doesnt kick in until you are say....21. Until you can appreciate something...it will not hold the significance it should. If parents were directly paying for their kids to go to HS....you bet your ass they would be wanting a return on their investment. But now it is treated like free daycare.
Who said free? Most of these kids work 20-30 hours a week while going to school and still wind up $25K in debt. I'm saying subsidized so it is possible.

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  SLVR and Black » Thu May 24, 2018 10:29 am

NoClapsPlease wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:19 am:Thanks for owning up to the BS dialogue!
It's business, plain and simple. If the NFL is saying that it's about patriotism, then it is BS dialogue. If they haven't though, it's just business. #1 job of business is to stay in business, second is to grow the brand and brand/product identity is everything. The NFL should've never hired Gooddell, he's clearly the wrong guy for this stuff, lol.

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  NoClapsPlease » Thu May 24, 2018 10:30 am

The only real solution is for the NFL to refund the DoD the 5.6 million dollars and do away with the ceremony completely. Or keep it, but not be required to televise it.

but it's all about that bottom line at the end of the day. What's more american than good ole capitalism? I could name a couple things, but that's for another day

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  NoClapsPlease » Thu May 24, 2018 10:33 am

SLVR and Black wrote Thu May 24, 2018 10:29 am:It's business, plain and simple. If the NFL is saying that it's about patriotism, then it is BS dialogue. If they haven't though, it's just business. #1 job of business is to stay in business, second is to grow the brand and brand/product identity is everything. The NFL should've never hired Gooddell, he's clearly the wrong guy for this stuff, lol.
Oh trust that I understand business as I estimate/manage projects for a living.

I believe the point I'm making is this was NEVER about the flag with the fans, even though so many swore it was.

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  signal » Thu May 24, 2018 10:42 am

How did patriotism devolve into idolatry anyways? Patriotism means standing for a fucking song? Patriotism means giving nothing more than lip service to the trappings of patriotism (flag and anthem) but is divorced from actually doing something that may improve the lives of those around you?

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  Attyla » Thu May 24, 2018 10:45 am

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