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Of course it was. My point is simply that it is an option that is out there. I have no problem in helping people who need help. But there needs to be an equal investment. Give me 3 years in the military and I will help pay for your college. Great. If you are anti military...give me 3 years in the peace corps and I will help pay for your college. I just think you need to have a stake in the game.
In college...it was easy to tell whos parents were paying for their school and the people that were paying (even partially) their own way. Just look at who showed up to class. Free education doesnt work imo. The only way I see that happening is if it doesnt kick in until you are say....21. Until you can appreciate something...it will not hold the significance it should. If parents were directly paying for their kids to go to HS....you bet your ass they would be wanting a return on their investment. But now it is treated like free daycare.
Like the Establishment Clause and church/state, the government, courts and general public misunderstand it.
And that ours is not a positive rights constitution but a negative rights one? In other words our system of government is designed to for what they cannot do rather than what they can.
This is the second time in 24 hours this has popped up on my radar and on two different sites, WTF? And this is from someone as libertarian as they come and one of the first apps I ever downloaded 10ish years ago? The constitution. And there is sits on my main screen of my phone.
its very simple (unless you don't believe in accountability): If you don't want the flag to be disrespected, everyone in the stadium must stand during the anthem, unless only the fans are allowed to disrespect the flag?
or is it only when one is on the clock?
or is it because the fans pay to be there. Does their ticket stub state on the back that if they don't stand, the flag won't feel disrespected
how is an object disrespected anyway?
I'm just trying to understand all the mental gymnastics and goal-posts relocations involved with this whole issue. Why can't the fans be required to stand upon entry?
I'm also not into conspiracy theories so I won't comment on the rest of your post. That's your opinion and that's really it. I have no problems w/ you having it but I'm sensing bias and I choose to leave those alone.
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kinz wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:11 am:And if you don't think your military education was subsidized by tax dollars, you are pretty wrong about that.
Of course it was. My point is simply that it is an option that is out there. I have no problem in helping people who need help. But there needs to be an equal investment. Give me 3 years in the military and I will help pay for your college. Great. If you are anti military...give me 3 years in the peace corps and I will help pay for your college. I just think you need to have a stake in the game.
In college...it was easy to tell whos parents were paying for their school and the people that were paying (even partially) their own way. Just look at who showed up to class. Free education doesnt work imo. The only way I see that happening is if it doesnt kick in until you are say....21. Until you can appreciate something...it will not hold the significance it should. If parents were directly paying for their kids to go to HS....you bet your ass they would be wanting a return on their investment. But now it is treated like free daycare.
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General welfare was not intended to subsidize people's life style. That wasn't the intention of the Founding Fathers.NumbersForTheBreak wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:18 am:Actually that is one of the main reasons our government exists and is a basic goal of every government. But how dare I spout things from the first two damn lines of that pesky Constitution. General welfare was probably a typo
Like the Establishment Clause and church/state, the government, courts and general public misunderstand it.
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I'm not worried more so what people are doing during the song but more or less what it's doing to the sport. I like sports to escape the daily nonsense of politics and now it's being shoved in my face there as well. I'd be OK w/ the anthem not being covered and we just get to what we paid to tune into: football.RunDMLee wrote Thu May 24, 2018 8:31 am:If your worried what someone does during a song that in reality means absolutely nothing then there is something wrong with you
People get offended by some dumb shit nowadays
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You do realize the same preamble contains the phrase “blessings of liberty” right after the part you’re alluding to? And that the preamble is just that. It doesn’t contain actual laws it simply tells us what the founders intended. This is the same as people who use the New Colossus poem on the Statue of Liberty as having some significant in immigration.NumbersForTheBreak wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:18 am:Actually that is the main reason our government exists and is a basic goal of every government. But how dare I spout things from the first two damn lines of that pesky Constition. General welfare was probably a typo
And that ours is not a positive rights constitution but a negative rights one? In other words our system of government is designed to for what they cannot do rather than what they can.
This is the second time in 24 hours this has popped up on my radar and on two different sites, WTF? And this is from someone as libertarian as they come and one of the first apps I ever downloaded 10ish years ago? The constitution. And there is sits on my main screen of my phone.
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are you purposely ignoring the elephant the room and choosing to go on and on about things that should not matter when it is the fans who are spear-heading this issue?grosse gurke wrote Thu May 24, 2018 8:58 am:Not it isnt. The NFL is a business. Employees are employeed to increase sales...not decrease them. If you owned a real estate business and one of your sales people decided to wear a "fuck Trump" hat....freedom of expression right...the right to protest on the job...you good with that? If a customer wants to buy a million dollar house from you and he is wearing the same hat....that "fuck Trump" hat on him is a stunning accessory!
I guess I am not seeing any valid argument as to why an employee...as rich as they are....can dictate what he is allowed to do...or not allowed to do...on the job.
If kneeling for the anthem doubled viewership, increased sponsorship dollars, was celebrated by the media and around the world, and was overwhelmingly supported by all the fans of the NFL, would this even be an issue? I dont know about you but Im thinking owners would be ok with it.
its very simple (unless you don't believe in accountability): If you don't want the flag to be disrespected, everyone in the stadium must stand during the anthem, unless only the fans are allowed to disrespect the flag?
or is it only when one is on the clock?
or is it because the fans pay to be there. Does their ticket stub state on the back that if they don't stand, the flag won't feel disrespected
how is an object disrespected anyway?
I'm just trying to understand all the mental gymnastics and goal-posts relocations involved with this whole issue. Why can't the fans be required to stand upon entry?
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I'm fully aware of not using the stock market as a barometer to the overall health of the economy. If you are suggesting it is not something that should be weighed though, I would call you incorrect.NumbersForTheBreak wrote Thu May 24, 2018 8:41 am:If you think the stock market indicates overall economic health you need to take a few classes on what the stock market actually is and take some general macroeconomic principles away from that.
Trump is a successful businessman in the same way Xaro from game of thrones was. If I tell everyone I’m wealthy and never show them the actual content of my vault, I can use the illusion of wealth to wield power without actually being wealthy. Because generally speaking, having most major banks refusing to give you additional loans because you’re too high a risk for defaulting, and doing pay to play with ZTE/UAE/Cohen/Mar-a-Lago indicates you aren’t already wealthy if you can be bought. And actually Xaro was self made, Trump inherited 500mil. So I guess not the same way. There’s a reason jokes about his finances were “off-limits” at his roast
I'm also not into conspiracy theories so I won't comment on the rest of your post. That's your opinion and that's really it. I have no problems w/ you having it but I'm sensing bias and I choose to leave those alone.
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Your last line is so spot on. Playing the victor is hard. You NEED to work and you NEED to work hard. Much harder than some do but the same opportunity is achievable. It's much, much, much, much, much easier to point the finger and blame someone else and people are lazy these days. Not surprised we see what we do as a result.CarrKnight wrote Thu May 24, 2018 8:50 am:Yup. Ben Carson grew up in poverty so his mother enrolled him for a library card.
Of course, someone will probably complain about overdue fines and how they are oppressive. Some people love being the victim.
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This is what crossed the line w/ me. He deserves every bit of what he's getting as a result.grosse gurke wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:15 am:However, for Keapernick to where "pig" socks to work.
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The court has largely avoided this amendment. Here’s hoping the founders put it there to save us from the insanity of those that want words to mean whatever is convient to them.CarrKnight wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:29 am:Here is an explanation of general welfare really means:
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So has the government. The Founders were pretty clear on how the responsibilities were to be divided up but the Progressives in the 1910s started the ignore train.Willmark wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:33 am:The court has largely avoided this amendment. Here’s hoping the founders put it there to save us from the insanity of those that want words to mean whatever is convient to them.
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It's the same thing with Rush Limbaugh, Ted Nugent and a lot of other showbiz patriots. They wave the flag and question the patriotism of others but when it was their turn to serve, they dodged their way out of it.signal wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:13 am:What made me laugh is when the fuck nut had the temerity to call modern NFL players soft....but he was too soft to fight for his country when drafted.
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thats where i am get rid of it all together , fuck its bad enough they have pussified the NFL now i got to hear about this shit.jtagg7754 wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:26 am:I'm not worried more so what people are doing during the song but more or less what it's doing to the sport. I like sports to escape the daily nonsense of politics and now it's being shoved in my face there as well. I'd be OK w/ the anthem not being covered and we just get to what we paid to tune into: football.
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he wore a castro shirt when they were playing in Miami, where the cubans who all fleed castro live, i mean that guy is just a fucking moron.jtagg7754 wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:32 am:This is what crossed the line w/ me. He deserves every bit of what he's getting as a result.
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It’s clear the Constitution needed less Madison and Hamilton and a lot more Jefferson.CarrKnight wrote Thu May 24, 2018 9:36 am:So has the government. The Founders were pretty clear on how the responsibilities were to be divided up but the Progressives in the 1910s started the ignore train.
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