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I'm not saying they should have shot him. But some cops would have....
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Definitely not an expert but I believe what I see was a couple of mistakes in that video and both by the officer? Again, not an expert but it looks to me he made a few tactical errors.
Officer ordered him to "have a seat in your car". Why would you do that? Your going to lost sight of him and who is to say he doesn't have a weapon in there?
Hard to tell from the camera angle but the moment he went back into his car and the officer lost sight of him I would have drawn my weapon and got into a defensive position. Instructed him to come out with his hands in the air and if he didn't wait for back up. He has zero idea when he lost sight of him if he was going for a weapon in the car.
Once he tased him and saw it was in-effective he should have created space immediately and drawn his weapon. They had already tussled McDowell wasn't compling. Seems to me if he had created space at that moment, drew his weapon then he's in a very favorable position. McDowell can't grab it and would now he would be shot before he could get to the officer.
This alone may have FINALLY brought compliance to the situation. If not and McDowell keeps coming then you simply, and regrettably shoot him. No cop should have to go through what could have possibly been a serious injury from a guy that big because of complete and utter non-compliance.
I knew a cop that went to check on a homeless person and right as he got in arms reach the guy swung and hit him so fast and so violently that it broke his jaw his head hit the pavement and he's been dealing with strokes ever since. His superiors might even argue to him that by not putting an end to the situation that he put his other fellow officers in jeopardy...
This kid is not right in his head when he is not drunk or high. He is cognitively impaired. He has impulse control issues. He cannot make good decisions. He needs medical attention. Instead, he is working out and trying to get on an NFL team because he's been told all his life how athletically gifted he is. He is not going to play football again but he has not yet accepted that. This is a sad, cautionary tale.
Except of course, from the 1:59 mark of the video all the way to the 4:11 mark when it took 4 cops to handcuff him and haul him out of a store that looked like a hurricane hit it after a 2 minute fight all caught on video.
You do realize the cameras don't lie, don't you? You do realize other people can see the fight that ensued don't you? You do realize people read your non-sensical postS throughout this forum don't you? This is just one tiny example in a long line of examples.
You know stork. Sometimes, not often, you do bring some thought provoking stuff on this forum I will have to admit to it. But it seems most of the time it's absolutely utter ridiculousness such as this that completely undermines yourself and you come off as nothing more than somebody trolling in an attempt to set them off.
Oh well...
At that point you can't lose sight of him because how would the cop know he didn't get a hold of a gun, get inside the store and start shooting from there. Once he failed completely not to comply then all bets were off at that moment.
Even IF the cop knew or thought he was a football player you can't assume even when somebody is NOT intoxicated that they aren't capable of some serious life altering violence. Much less when they obviously are in this case. Football player or not.
And this is were the problem lies in SOOOO many cases when it comes to people getting shot by cops. Not always as there are bad cops out there, we all know that. With that said I can't tell you time and again how many times I have watched video and it all starts because somebody didn't comply.
They are in charge, you are not. End of story.
Do as they say then get your day in court. If you don't they just call for more cops and it ends up real bad. Judges see this stuff and the first thing they say is you didn't comply and it started with that.
On a separate note somebody ELSE got lucky that night by NOT being on the road. The officer clocked him going 60 MPH in the heavy snow. So fast that the intoxicated McDowell spun out in the snow which he admitted too. He could have easily killed or badly injured another person...
Crazy TMZ video of Malik McDowell fighting a cop after a traffic stop....
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I'm not saying they should have shot him. But some cops would have....
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If he tried to play that card, I didn't hear it.grosse gurke wrote Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:20 pm:He doesnt need help...he is acting like an entitled bag. If he is that mental he shouldnt be driving in the first place. He was just looking to pull famous card...and it didnt work.
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Clients with mental illness can drive cars, it's not as though they are going out and running over people at an alarming rate, say like those driving while under the influence of alcohol...grosse gurke wrote Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:20 pm:He doesnt need help...he is acting like an entitled bag. If he is that mental he shouldnt be driving in the first place. He was just looking to pull famous card...and it didnt work.
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According to the strict criteria of the DSM, everybody has a mental illness. Mental health diagnostics is quackery.grosse gurke wrote Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:20 pm:He doesnt need help...he is acting like an entitled bag. If he is that mental he shouldnt be driving in the first place. He was just looking to pull famous card...and it didnt work.
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Definitely not an expert but I believe what I see was a couple of mistakes in that video and both by the officer? Again, not an expert but it looks to me he made a few tactical errors.
Officer ordered him to "have a seat in your car". Why would you do that? Your going to lost sight of him and who is to say he doesn't have a weapon in there?
Hard to tell from the camera angle but the moment he went back into his car and the officer lost sight of him I would have drawn my weapon and got into a defensive position. Instructed him to come out with his hands in the air and if he didn't wait for back up. He has zero idea when he lost sight of him if he was going for a weapon in the car.
Once he tased him and saw it was in-effective he should have created space immediately and drawn his weapon. They had already tussled McDowell wasn't compling. Seems to me if he had created space at that moment, drew his weapon then he's in a very favorable position. McDowell can't grab it and would now he would be shot before he could get to the officer.
This alone may have FINALLY brought compliance to the situation. If not and McDowell keeps coming then you simply, and regrettably shoot him. No cop should have to go through what could have possibly been a serious injury from a guy that big because of complete and utter non-compliance.
I knew a cop that went to check on a homeless person and right as he got in arms reach the guy swung and hit him so fast and so violently that it broke his jaw his head hit the pavement and he's been dealing with strokes ever since. His superiors might even argue to him that by not putting an end to the situation that he put his other fellow officers in jeopardy...
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This kid is not right in his head when he is not drunk or high. He is cognitively impaired. He has impulse control issues. He cannot make good decisions. He needs medical attention. Instead, he is working out and trying to get on an NFL team because he's been told all his life how athletically gifted he is. He is not going to play football again but he has not yet accepted that. This is a sad, cautionary tale.
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Why would anyone draw a weapon when there were no signs of violence? That would be moronic imo.16 to 88 wrote Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:01 pm:Yeah.
Definitely not an expert but I believe what I see was a couple of mistakes in that video and both by the officer? Again, not an expert but it looks to me he made a few tactical errors.
Officer ordered him to "have a seat in your car". Why would you do that? Your going to lost sight of him and who is to say he doesn't have a weapon in there?
Hard to tell from the camera angle but the moment he went back into his car and the officer lost sight of him I would have drawn my weapon and got into a defensive position. Instructed him to come out with his hands in the air and if he didn't wait for back up. He has zero idea when he lost sight of him if he was going for a weapon in the car.
Once he tased him and saw it was in-effective he should have created space immediately and drawn his weapon. They had already tussled McDowell wasn't compling. Seems to me if he had created space at that moment, drew his weapon then he's in a very favorable position. McDowell can't grab it and would now he would be shot before he could get to the officer.
This alone may have FINALLY brought compliance to the situation. If not and McDowell keeps coming then you simply, and regrettably shoot him. No cop should have to go through what could have possibly been a serious injury from a guy that big because of complete and utter non-compliance.
I knew a cop that went to check on a homeless person and right as he got in arms reach the guy swung and hit him so fast and so violently that it broke his jaw his head hit the pavement and he's been dealing with strokes ever since. His superiors might even argue to him that by not putting an end to the situation that he put his other fellow officers in jeopardy...
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Yeah, that's it stork. NO signs of violence whatsoever.mad stork 83 wrote Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:37 am:Why would anyone draw a weapon when there were no signs of violence? That would be moronic imo.
Except of course, from the 1:59 mark of the video all the way to the 4:11 mark when it took 4 cops to handcuff him and haul him out of a store that looked like a hurricane hit it after a 2 minute fight all caught on video.
You do realize the cameras don't lie, don't you? You do realize other people can see the fight that ensued don't you? You do realize people read your non-sensical postS throughout this forum don't you? This is just one tiny example in a long line of examples.
You know stork. Sometimes, not often, you do bring some thought provoking stuff on this forum I will have to admit to it. But it seems most of the time it's absolutely utter ridiculousness such as this that completely undermines yourself and you come off as nothing more than somebody trolling in an attempt to set them off.
Oh well...
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IMHO, that would be a tactical error as well.Atlasffa wrote Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:38 pm:I would have called for backup when Malik insisted on seeing a supervisor and told him that the supervisor was on the way. When backup arrived, I would have introduced them as the supervisor. When he went in the store, I would have taken the car keys, stood at the door and waited for the backup.
At that point you can't lose sight of him because how would the cop know he didn't get a hold of a gun, get inside the store and start shooting from there. Once he failed completely not to comply then all bets were off at that moment.
Even IF the cop knew or thought he was a football player you can't assume even when somebody is NOT intoxicated that they aren't capable of some serious life altering violence. Much less when they obviously are in this case. Football player or not.
Bingo.This kid was drunk and/or high--he was not going to listen to that cop.
And this is were the problem lies in SOOOO many cases when it comes to people getting shot by cops. Not always as there are bad cops out there, we all know that. With that said I can't tell you time and again how many times I have watched video and it all starts because somebody didn't comply.
They are in charge, you are not. End of story.
Do as they say then get your day in court. If you don't they just call for more cops and it ends up real bad. Judges see this stuff and the first thing they say is you didn't comply and it started with that.
On a separate note somebody ELSE got lucky that night by NOT being on the road. The officer clocked him going 60 MPH in the heavy snow. So fast that the intoxicated McDowell spun out in the snow which he admitted too. He could have easily killed or badly injured another person...
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Who made the first violent move? What I saw was him ask for a supervisor. I didn't see any need for aggression on the part of the Cop because there wasn't any aggression. I didn't see the need to take him. He was sitting and not a threat. Sometimes cops overreact. This is one of those instances. I will watch a 3rd time. Maybe I will notice something that substantiates your perception.16 to 88 wrote Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:39 am:Yeah, that's it stork. NO signs of violence whatsoever.
Except of course, from the 1:59 mark of the video all the way to the 4:11 mark when it took 4 cops to handcuff him and haul him out of a store that looked like a hurricane hit it after a 2 minute fight all caught on video.
You do realize the cameras don't lie, don't you? You do realize other people can see the fight that ensued don't you? You do realize people read your non-sensical postS throughout this forum don't you? This is just one tiny example in a long line of examples.
You know stork. Sometimes, not often, you do bring some thought provoking stuff on this forum I will have to admit to it. But it seems most of the time it's absolutely utter ridiculousness such as this that completely undermines yourself and you come off as nothing more than somebody trolling in an attempt to set them off.
Oh well...
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