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Trainnvain » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:07 pm
Art She’ll was a tackle, why would he bulk up to the level if a guard?Attyla » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:10 pm
good pointTrainnvain wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:07 pm:Art She’ll was a tackle, why would he bulk up to the level if a guard?
Trainnvain » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:13 pm
Nope, it doesn’t, just being pedanticRaiderman4 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:51 pm
I don't think they are stupid and wouldn't take advantage of technology. I just literally don't think they would be able to do what Carr is doing right now that's all. We'll never know either way.Attyla wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:52 pm:no offense but this stupid. If Stabler played today, he would have all the advantages Carr has, as in the best medical, the best training, the best information systems and would have the guts and toughness to add on. You are assuming that Stabler is a relic who would have been living in the 60s and playing today. He would have had all the advantages Carr has but would have been Stabler
All of those QBs back then would have thrived if they had had the advantages of today's technology and rules if the were current players.
To assume Stabler is too stupid not to use whatever technological advantages available is foolish at best. Stabler and company would have owned it today if they were born into this generation because they were exactly smart enough to take advantage of what they had available. Does anyone think Art Shell could not have used nutritional data we have today to bulk up to the levels of todays guards? Thanks for playing but that is just plain stupid to think the past is just a bunch of relics
Attyla » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:36 pm
but you are basing your argument on what you know about Stabler as a 1960s-70s player and not taking into consideration that if they played now, the would have been brought up recently being able to take advantage of today's medical advantages, dietary advantages and technology advantages. If Stabler had had those benefits, how much better would he have been? Hell, even guys like Marino and Montana given those pluses would have been that much better.Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:51 pm:I don't think they are stupid and wouldn't take advantage of technology. I just literally don't think they would be able to do what Carr is doing right now that's all. We'll never know either way.
NoThanksSir » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:03 pm
Might be an unpopular take but guys like Stabler would flounder today, even considering the resources at their disposal. The game is far more competitive. Stabler's badass persona doesn't work now. It's what makes him so memorable, but those guys and their personalities don't operate under the modern NFL. Guys like Carr who commit they're every waking moment to football and family are a far better bet of succeeding when even the mediocre players of today probably had to try harder than Stabler did.Raiderman4 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:51 pm:I don't think they are stupid and wouldn't take advantage of technology. I just literally don't think they would be able to do what Carr is doing right now that's all. We'll never know either way.
Raider87 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:15 pm
It's all hypothetical, so theres no way to tell.NoThanksSir wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:03 pm:Might be an unpopular take but guys like Stabler would flounder today, even considering the resources at their disposal. The game is far more competitive. Stabler's badass persona doesn't work now. It's what makes him so memorable, but those guys and their personalities don't operate under the modern NFL. Guys like Carr who commit they're every waking moment to football and family are a far better bet of succeeding when even the mediocre players of today probably had to try harder than Stabler did.
Don't get me wrong, Stabler is one of my favorites. But he's a folk story. Barely relevant to today beyond the warm fuzzy feelings we get from remembering their place in history.
To that end, of our modern QBs I still take Gannon over Carr. The other comparison require too much imagination for my taste
CWood24 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:30 pm
So you think in this day & age Stabler would be out all night every night like most sportsman back in that era were nope he would have adapted to today's lifestyle & been better at the position.NoThanksSir wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:03 pm:Might be an unpopular take but guys like Stabler would flounder today, even considering the resources at their disposal. The game is far more competitive. Stabler's badass persona doesn't work now. It's what makes him so memorable, but those guys and their personalities don't operate under the modern NFL. Guys like Carr who commit they're every waking moment to football and family are a far better bet of succeeding when even the mediocre players of today probably had to try harder than Stabler did.
Don't get me wrong, Stabler is one of my favorites. But he's a folk story. Barely relevant to today beyond the warm fuzzy feelings we get from remembering their place in history.
To that end, of our modern QBs I still take Gannon over Carr. The other comparison require too much imagination for my taste
trdaddy » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:53 pm
I have a feeling, based on your posts, that you would think Carr is just trying to pad his resume if he wins. lolCWood24 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:30 pm:So you think in this day & age Stabler would be out all night every night like most sportsman back in that era were nope he would have adapted to today's lifestyle & been better at the position.
Carr would have been out of his depth in the 70’s & 80’s due to the physical nature of the game it is no secret that teams know that if you get to him he crumbles we heard it a million times & most recently from Joey Bosa, he is seen in the league as being a mentally weak QB once he has been hit a few times
I keep hearing how he has had a great season well this is just not true he has had half a great season the other half has been suspect, if we keep getting second half Carr we’re good if we get more 1st half Carr then we’re up shit creek. The only stat that matters right now is wins, the same people posting all these great stats are the same one who discredited the bad stats people can’t have it both ways
There is no excuses going forward people keep blaming the O-Line for any issue but when it comes to the run game those same people blame the RB’s so which one is it?
CWood24 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:30 am
I’d love it if he would pad his resume with wins we all would but unfortunately he hasn’t done enough of that yettrdaddy wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:53 pm:I have a feeling, based on your posts, that you would think Carr is just trying to pad his resume if he wins. lol
And, weren't you the one who thought Football should be more important to him than God and his family?
KillerRaider30 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:57 am
Would past QBs would have a better chance today than today's QBs would have back then?deathstar » Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:58 am
It is difficult to compare eras. Ken Stabler was a true Hall of Fame QB but may be hard to play football in this era with cancel culture. Since dirt came out of Gruden's emails, I think there would be something about players like Ken Stabler come out from the media. I also believe Carr's career would be every short if he played football before or during Ken's era.NoThanksSir » Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:22 am
Yes I do. You're making a far bigger assumption that he would be a radically different person than myself who is saying that his type of lifestyle wouldn't translate to a more competitive league. Also there are plenty of cases of current players flaming out of the league because they enjoy a loose, rules free lifestyle.CWood24 wrote Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:30 pm:So you think in this day & age Stabler would be out all night every night like most sportsman back in that era were nope he would have adapted to today's lifestyle & been better at the position.
Attyla » Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:41 am
What was a norm back in the 60s and 70s would not happen today. No way Kenny would have been at the bars during the season. He would have been raised differently, coached differently from Pee Wee to College. Things guys could do back then they just do not allow today. He would have been in a controlled environment. Would he have cut loose at times? Probably, but the entire trajectory of his life would have been altered. One cannot know what would have happened but to assume a guy from the 70s would not be far better given the advantages today is foolish at best. Guys like Marino would have killed it today, same guys like Unitas. Imagine Unitas having been raised with all the advantages Carr had with a playbook that had a ton more plays and the amount of film available etc. And guys like Unitas had fewer games in a year too. On top of all that, when Carr's season is over, he can, if he so chooses, study film, work out, practice with teammates because he does not have another job. Unitas for the majority of his career, had a job in the off season. Some of those guys would play on Sunday and work regular jobs during the week during the season. It may be a different era, but those old guys given the life these guys today had? The record books would have a few new names on it for sure.Robblake » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:29 am
These hypotheticals are dumb. Lol QBs should be protected, they keep the game of football alive and evolved. Brady would have the same success but prob cut down due to getting his ass repeatedly kicked. Bodies can only take so much beating.