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danchase45 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:04 pm
Derek Carr is our offensive coordinator at this point. He has been for the last year. Gruden calls plays, but Carr audibles out of most of them. However, Carr audibled out of plays for how Gruden would have called them. Carr now will have even more freedom and we will see and even more aggressive offense.NoThanksSir » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:11 pm
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how audibles work. Carr doesn't walk to the line with the ability to audible into every play he's familiar with. When he goes to the line he has the play call, and a handful of plays, all hand picked by the playcaller, that he can choose from. Then based on the coverage he can pick and choose how to attack the defense.danchase45 wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:04 pm:Derek Carr is our offensive coordinator at this point. He has been for the last year. Gruden calls plays, but Carr audibles out of most of them. However, Carr audibled out of plays for how Gruden would have called them. Carr now will have even more freedom and we will see and even more aggressive offense.
CWood24 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:21 pm
If that is the case then every play he audibles out of that Gruden sent in that goes wrong is 100% on him which would be really worryingdanchase45 wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:04 pm:Derek Carr is our offensive coordinator at this point. He has been for the last year. Gruden calls plays, but Carr audibles out of most of them. However, Carr audibled out of plays for how Gruden would have called them. Carr now will have even more freedom and we will see and even more aggressive offense.
The one thing that was apparent from the last game is we didn't change our play calling until the 4th quarter when the game was out of reach. The offense kept the pedal down and was aggressive. Gruden would get a 1 point lead and play not to lose. I can't remember a game during Carr's tenure that we actually blew a team out. The onside kick made things closer than it should have, but we were up 34-17 with 8 minutes to go. We always let teams back into the game with conservative offenses with any type of lead. Even in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. In the NFL you need to run up the score if you are ahead. All the teams do this, except us!
Greg Olson is also very underappreciated IMO. He has had success with helping in QB development. He was the QB coach that helped develop a QB named Drew Brees at Purdue. He had Joey Harrington playing ok at QB, which is all you can ask for there. Bortles played well under Olson, that team was just and still is an organizational mess. He was then trusted by McVay to be the QB coach for Goff, who played extremely well. I think Olson and Carr will be a better combination than Gruden calling plays. Only time will tell.
Raiders Baby » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:58 pm
It’s not just Carr vs Bridgewater or Carr vs Winston tho. It’s Carr -30m vs Bridge -4m or Winston -5m. If you’re not sold on Carr in the long term, a Bridgewater could be a Bridge QB while you try to find a young QB.NoThanksSir wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:19 am:I would prefer Carr over the likes of Bridgewater and Winston. A rookie QB probably is less of an option considering we most likely won't be selecting anywhere near the top 10, and don't have a ton of resources to get there.
NoThanksSir » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:13 pm
I think if you're in a position to get guy like Herbert, yes. Or even Mahomes with the draft capital to spare to make a move. But I don't think we're in a position to get those type of prospects. Also I fully believe that the cap savings with a guy like Teddy or Winston won't get us any closer. I think those guys are pretty mediocre starting QBs, and the extra money spent will only cement our status of a purgatory team who isn't bad enough to draft a QB. There is still a higher ceiling with Carr in that he's played better than Bridgewater or Winston ever has. The aforementioned QBs would have people thinking back on the Carr days with nostalgia. But that's just my take.Raiders Baby wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:58 pm:It’s not just Carr vs Bridgewater or Carr vs Winston tho. It’s Carr -30m vs Bridge -4m or Winston -5m. If you’re not sold on Carr in the long term, a Bridgewater could be a Bridge QB while you try to find a young QB.
Even without drafting a young QB, one could argue we might even be better short term with a player like Bridge/Winston because Bridge/Winston + Top Tier supporting cast > Carr + mediocre supporting cast. The QB position would be worse, but the caliber would be close enough that having that extra $25m spread around the rest of the roster is worth it.
Up until this year, I actually supported that line of thinking. Now, Carr has put me in a tricky position regarding my own opinion. On one hand, I’d love to find someone special like Herbert or Mahomes. Bringing in a bridge QB would make it an easier transition to a young player. Carr has been very inconsistent over his career, so even when he’s playing mostly great football it’s hard to shake the feeling “Bad Carr” can show up at any time.
On the other hand, Carr is playing the best ball of his career right now. Bears and Chargers were bad team outings as much as they were bad outings for Carr (to be clear, they were bad outings for him individually too), but aside from that it’s really felt like he’s in full control. It would be just our luck not to re-sign him to a team-friendly franchise deal just as he becomes the elite player everyone (yes the doubters too) has been hoping for this whole time.
WNYRAIDER » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:14 pm
I don't think that any football player should get a 40 million a year contract. It would be swell if the everyday mom and pop who carried the sport for decades and made it what it is could still afford to take their kids to a game or 2 a year.CWood24 wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:01 am:Do you think Carr should get a 40 mil a year contract cause that was the point not that Prescott is any better than Carr, that Carr doesnt deserve that sort of franchise handicapping salary especially since he fucked us over with his retiring if traded comments & the return he has provided so far
SkullCrusher » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:16 pm
Aqua wrote Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:25 am:Sirius NFL radio guys were talking this morning about which NFL QB's are currently performing the best. Someone made a list of 12 names which had Mayfield as number 1, Carr was 11, Joe Burroughs 12. I think Carr is a legitimate starting NFL QB but I don't believe signing him to another big dollar long term contract would be a good idea.
Must have meant Mahomes.Fade2SilverAndBlack wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:12 am:I wouldn't have Mayfield no where near 1. 11 is around where Carr belongs.....
I wouldn't sign him to another big $$ contract. No way....
Depending on the way the season goes I would look to trade him at years end if a new HC is brought in....
(edit) Back to Mayfield. He's another QB I'm not signing to a big $$ contract before I have to. He's also an UFA in 2023. I'd wait unless he takes a shorter contract at less $$ than other top QB's. Someone like Kyler Murray I extend.....
Raiders Baby » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:25 pm
Staying in limbo is exactly what would actually happen, that’s trueNoThanksSir wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:13 pm:I think if you're in a position to get guy like Herbert, yes. Or even Mahomes with the draft capital to spare to make a move. But I don't think we're in a position to get those type of prospects. Also I fully believe that the cap savings with a guy like Teddy or Winston won't get us any closer. I think those guys are pretty mediocre starting QBs, and the extra money spent will only cement our status of a purgatory team who isn't bad enough to draft a QB. There is still a higher ceiling with Carr in that he's played better than Bridgewater or Winston ever has. The aforementioned QBs would have people thinking back on the Carr days with nostalgia. But that's just my take.
Edit: To be clear I think you could do better than Carr. But you'd have to get worse first. Carr has some time on his deal, I'd like to ride it out with him, allowing the young guys to develop with a stable QB. The team will regress without Carr
Aqua » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:42 pm
I've seen relatively low priced QB's play fine this season . From the rookies Lawrence has made some amazing throws, Mac Jones has revealed incredible poise and completed some sensational passes. 3rd round pick Davis Mills could be good, it's possible. Darnold is now looking like a legitimate NFl starting QB. Bridgewater and Winston, even Brissett have all played very respectable QB this season.SDraider34 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:12 pm
https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/ ... 41120?s=21Attyla » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:39 pm
I agree, and to count this season a third of the way through it seems a bit premature. He has had 4 games that were good and 2 that were not good. But he has only taken on 2 teams with great defenses. It is hard to really know what we get the rest of the way. In my mind, he has had 1 great year, a few bad years and 2 solid years. 2016 was fun, no doubt about it. 2017 was OK, 2018 was bad, 2019 was eh, OK, maybe some would say solid? 2020 was solid and the first two seasons he was learning the job but you could probably toss them as just not worth judging. I know some would say 2020 was great but honestly his let down's at various times kinda skew it for me. Problem is, we are 5 years away from his best year, and we have no idea what is going to happen the rest of the way.Trainnvain wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:14 pm:RB made a thoughtful reply, hardly a troll take. You can disagree without resortingto name calling. That’s how the last Carr thread degenerated into chaos.
NoThanksSir » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:51 pm
Message from the mods: Taking a proactive approach with the fresh slate. Calling someone a troll is name calling, and efforts will be made to cut off such back and forth before they become an issue.Lamonica_D » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:54 pm
Is it good? Yes. Other fans are gushing over this.SDraider34 wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:12 pm:https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/ ... 41120?s=21
Is this good?
SkullCrusher » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:12 pm
I love the details of "Big Time Throws", love the metric, what does it mean? I dunno, just BIG! And Big is good, so sit down and shut up already! :)SDraider34 wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:12 pm:https://twitter.com/pff_raiders/status/ ... 41120?s=21
Is this good?
Lamonica_D » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:22 pm
25+ yards or more.SkullCrusher wrote Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:12 pm:I love the details of "Big Time Throws", love the metric, what does it mean? I dunno, just BIG! And Big is good, so sit down and shut up already! :)