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Re: Best SB winner of all time?

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  Sea of Hands » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:13 pm

Willmark wrote Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:53 am:LOL

Nice try, look at the comments, and the first one specifically:
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"Nothing on earth that blocked, or tackled or passed or ran could have stopped the Raiders on Black Sunday."

That's me, too easy.
What's interesting is that you made that comment and you didn't even mention the 1983 Raiders in your top ten breakdown. Fucking weird. The Raiders have one of the greatest traditions in NFL history. and just because we haven't done much in a couple of decades, doesn't mean anyone can erase it. We were a special organization for a long time. Get ovah it!

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  Willmark » Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:26 pm

Anyways back OT after someones attempts to derail it. It we then expand to championship teams before the SB era the argument could be made it’s the 1962 Packers. That teams stats are ridiculous.

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  Willmark » Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:42 pm

Attyla wrote Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:40 am:Greatest show on Turf comes to mind, that was a loaded team.

The perfect Phins. Not sure you can have a list without them.

The Parcells Giants, that was a helluva defense he put together.
The 1986 Giants were brutal, 49-3 smack down on the 49ers in the playoffs.

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  Attyla » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:01 pm

The 83 team is easily one of my favorites. We beat a team that had one of the best lineups of the 80s. 85 Bears were better though. I can make a ranking of teams that won it all and I still find myself putting the Bears at the top of the list. The 9ers squads will always find their way onto the list as will the Steelers/Phins of the 70s and one or two Pats squads. I will always as a fan of the team find a place for the 83 squad but I never consider the 80 team. But just because someone will not does not find me insulting them. This is not science, it is all opinions. I was told there is a huge group of people who hate me around here, but I am not the one insulting just to insult opinions. Truth is, I would not include the 9ers squad that beat Marino, but there are other 9ers squads I would. But why bash an opinion? Debate, sure, make a case, of course but take shots? Not on a subject that you have no winners. To question team loyalty over such a debate? Not my style.

but carry on, I may not be here to win a popularity contest but I am certainly not here to go out of my way to be hated, unless you get personal. But that is others's choices not mine.
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  Coach Pappy » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:13 am

Willmark wrote Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:54 am:They were indeed that.

But best of all time though?

Don't get me wrong it was the year I became a Raiders fan so it was cool to see, but greatest?
When you use a word like "greatest" it is up to the poster to how they define greatest. Some of the teams on that list you came up with skirted (cheated?) the cap issue. Anything 49er related during the DeBartolo years definitely had a massaged salary cap.

You define greatest your way, I'll define it my way..

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  Willmark » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:21 am

Coach Pappy wrote Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:13 am:When you use a word like "greatest" it is up to the poster to how they define greatest. Some of the teams on that list you came up with skirted (cheated?) the cap issue. Anything 49er related during the DeBartolo years definitely had a massaged salary cap.

You define greatest your way, I'll define it my way..
Wasn’t disparaging your commentary. Nor am I telling you your opinion is wrong.

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  Attyla » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:00 pm

I will say that the 1980 team would not be in the top 25 for me. That team was a bit more flawed than the 76 or 83 team for us. Certainly, if you measure team by team that won it all by era the 1980 team was old at a lot of positions and would likely have lost to quite a few of the teams in their era. The 1980 season was marred by inconsistent play and yes, injury. Contrasting that, the 1983 team had done quite a bit to retool some aging areas on the team and added some HOF players to the roster. As for the cheating argument, one can make the case that all teams cheated, it was just how you cheated and if you got caught that was the issue. The Raiders were a team that cheated with PEDs. Others skirted other rules. Sure, steroids were not banned until 1983 but there were other drugs taken in the locker room that were just as effective and illegal (Read Snake) as well as other tools of the trade to get an edge (Read Head Slap and Snake) which were violations of the rules. Plastered up arms that became weapons of choice were not uncommon. So we will never know the extent of the cheating but everyone was doing it to some degree or another. And you do have to remember, the salary cap was not a thing until 1994 and free agency did not begin until the year before. Teams could lock up players forever and could pay whatever. Both those tools actually hampered Davis because while he voted for both, he was never able to master either effectively.

That all being said, if you think the 1980 squad is the best all time, good for you. But most historians will not have them anywhere near top 10. Most will have them at the bottom third. If Rod Martin had not played out of his mind that day, the game looks a lot different. Rod should have been MVP.

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  Diesis » Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:57 pm

Attyla wrote Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:01 pm:The 83 team is easily one of my favorites. We beat a team that had one of the best lineups of the 80s. 85 Bears were better though. I can make a ranking of teams that won it all and I still find myself putting the Bears at the top of the list. The 9ers squads will always find their way onto the list as will the Steelers/Phins of the 70s and one or two Pats squads. I will always as a fan of the team find a place for the 83 squad but I never consider the 80 team. But just because someone will not does not find me insulting them. This is not science, it is all opinions. I was told there is a huge group of people who hate me around here, but I am not the one insulting just to insult opinions. Truth is, I would not include the 9ers squad that beat Marino, but there are other 9ers squads I would. But why bash an opinion? Debate, sure, make a case, of course but take shots? Not on a subject that you have no winners. To question team loyalty over such a debate? Not my style.

but carry on, I may not be here to win a popularity contest but I am certainly not here to go out of my way to be hated, unless you get personal. But that is others's choices not mine.
Agree, if I was going into bat with one team it would be 1985 Bears.


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