Sir Raider Duck, OMS » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:21 pm
You don't make drafting decisions based on an opponent you play twice a year. If Harbaugh knows more about McCarthy during the two games a year we play the Chargers, C'est la vie.rich72 wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:10 pm:Wouldnt the Chargers have a huge advantage if we drafted JJ McCarthy? Harbaugh probably knows all of his weaknesses.
signal » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:00 pm
But how do you know this? He could very well turn out to be the best of the bunch. We all know, that pre-draft evaluations of QBs are famously inaccurate. Fact is no one knows which of these QBs will develop and which will crash and burn. No one knows.Spirit in Black wrote Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:19 pm:We need a game changer at QB and with McCarthy I just don't see it. Is he significantly better than AOC with a full training camp & off-season? I don't want to draft a QB just to draft one and we're left with just a decent player, nothing special. Then we're also likely committed to giving him at least 3 years because we did draft him in the first.
signal » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:06 pm
That scenario supposes one, that JJ will look no different in a different scheme and more importantly it suggests that he will not develop and remain the same player that he was in Michigan. If the Raider staff are any good, JJ should develop and grow until he as a player is unrecognizable from that one that played in college. If not, then JJ does not have a chance against any team in the NFL.Sir Raider Duck, OMS wrote Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:21 pm:You don't make drafting decisions based on an opponent you play twice a year. If Harbaugh knows more about McCarthy during the two games a year we play the Chargers, C'est la vie.
chucker » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:33 pm
1. You don't want to depend on McCarthy being a good NFL starter in year 1. Honestly you don't plan for that with any rookie - Stroud is an outlier. If you're starting a rookie, your offense probably won't be very good. If a guy's passing numbers compare to O'Connell as a rookie you may be doing ok, and everyone has more mobility and more ability to do something on the ground than O'Connell.Spirit in Black wrote Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:19 pm:We need a game changer at QB and with McCarthy I just don't see it. Is he significantly better than AOC with a full training camp & off-season? I don't want to draft a QB just to draft one and we're left with just a decent player, nothing special. Then we're also likely committed to giving him at least 3 years because we did draft him in the first.
16 to 88 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:26 pm
Nah, I distinctly remember this time last year DH/EE was talking about him and I was frequenting draft sites and there value boards. I don't really pay attention to mocks because that is different as those try and connect a player to a team v. a value board were they place the best prospect in the draft at #1 regardless of position and so it go right on down the line...chucker wrote Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:13 pm:I think the combine moved Richardson from a likely first round pick to a likely high first round pick. The only early mock I actually found with a quick search was Kiper who had him going at 9 in his first mock in January of 2023.
Dark Horse » Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:06 am
The teams that picked them weren't picking them because they just wanted to make a selection in the top three, they picked them because they believed they were drafting an elite player.CWood24 wrote Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:31 am:That just not true there is absolutely no guarantee's that any of the top 3 will be any good & the other guys will be failures
Mariota, Winston, Darnold, Trubisky, Wentz, Lance & Wilson have shown that being a top 3 pick means nothing
Dark Horse » Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:11 am
Correct, it was always going to happen and that's what I told people. He had gotten a 1st round appointment from that draft advisory committee and that's why he came out. On the other than, it didn't happen until it happened. He could have gotten hurt, did something stupid, something from his past could have been exposed, etc, so that speaks to chucker's point. But outside of one of those things occurring, he was going to be a top ten selection.16 to 88 wrote Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:26 pm:Nah, I distinctly remember this time last year DH/EE was talking about him and I was frequenting draft sites and there value boards. I don't really pay attention to mocks because that is different as those try and connect a player to a team v. a value board were they place the best prospect in the draft at #1 regardless of position and so it go right on down the line...
silver_ghost » Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:55 pm
JJ won't start for the Raiders until 2025. He has a lot to learn, he isn't ready. Watch the Husky's vs Wolverines game and you will know. BTW, the Wolverines had a pro-style Defense, Husky's defense was nowhere near as good as the Wolverines. They had one CB who performed well but other than that nothing.rich72 wrote Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:10 pm:Wouldnt the Chargers have a huge advantage if we drafted JJ McCarthy? Harbaugh probably knows all of his weaknesses.
signal » Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:16 am
I will give you my argument why he might be the one to go after.16 to 88 wrote Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:31 pm:JJ and his 713 attempted college passes make me nervous...
16 to 88 » Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:35 am
I see your point.signal wrote Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:16 am:I will give you my argument why he might be the one to go after.
I think the Raiders need not worry about QB prospects' floors. I could care less if their floors are low. We have AO4 already and thus don't really have to worry about the rookie's floor being low...the only thing to really focus on is ceiling. You go after that QB with the highest ceiling.
Given JJ's age I think there is a lot of room for improvement. In short, I think he has a higher ceiling than the other 2nd tier QBs but with a lower floor. But if I am Telesco, I don't give two shits about his floor. I am only looking at ceiling and will go after that QB who has the most potential to get better.
Now, I don't know shit when it comes to evaluating college QBs but I do know I would be going into this draft looking to hit a homerun at the QB position....someone who may have not had a lot of opportunities to knock it out of the ballpark in college but has mounds of room and time to be that next best thing. In short, someone whose ceiling is high. And I think it safe to say that JJ's ceiling is higher than any other 2nd tier QB.
If I am Telesco, I pull the trigger and get the young man.
Bobby_time » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:06 am
Jayden Daniel’s is our guy! I’ve watched enough tape on him to know he’s gonna be a stud. He will get much bigger and fill his frame. He can throw a beautiful deep ball but he’s also doesn’t miss the easy pass. He can run and we all know how important that is in today’s game. Hursts wins a lot of games with his legs, he’s a good passer but not great. I believe Jayden at worst will be Hurts. The other thing is you can tell he’s a football guy, he love the game. When you hear him talk you can tell he’s competitive and he’s gotten better every single year. When you grab a QB you want the guy who is getting better year by year not the guy who was good as a sophomore but didn’t really get much better by his Senior year but was still good enough to get drafted in the first. I want the guy who works his butt off in the offseason and keeps better better and that JD. If he falls to 3 you have to make a trade with NE. Worst case he’s not good you still have AOC who could be something kind of like Tray Lance and Brock. End of the day you need a QB to win and the more shots you take the better chance you have of hitting on a mahomes or Stroud type guy. If I’m a GM I’m brining in young QBs in and at some point you’ll hit. AOC and JD would be a great dice roll.WolfRaider » Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:14 am
How can he be our guy when we don’t have a chance to pick him?Bobby_time wrote Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:06 am:Jayden Daniel’s is our guy! I’ve watched enough tape on him to know he’s gonna be a stud. He will get much bigger and fill his frame. He can throw a beautiful deep ball but he’s also doesn’t miss the easy pass. He can run and we all know how important that is in today’s game. Hursts wins a lot of games with his legs, he’s a good passer but not great. I believe Jayden at worst will be Hurts. The other thing is you can tell he’s a football guy, he love the game. When you hear him talk you can tell he’s competitive and he’s gotten better every single year. When you grab a QB you want the guy who is getting better year by year not the guy who was good as a sophomore but didn’t really get much better by his Senior year but was still good enough to get drafted in the first. I want the guy who works his butt off in the offseason and keeps better better and that JD. If he falls to 3 you have to make a trade with NE. Worst case he’s not good you still have AOC who could be something kind of like Tray Lance and Brock. End of the day you need a QB to win and the more shots you take the better chance you have of hitting on a mahomes or Stroud type guy. If I’m a GM I’m brining in young QBs in and at some point you’ll hit. AOC and JD would be a great dice roll.
silver_ghost » Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:59 am
If this is the price I will take it.riseNraid09 wrote Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:42 pm:https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raid ... -patriots/
Article outlines the fact AP has his eye on Jayden Daniels. Bleacher Report pitched a trade in which LV would send the 13th overall pick, the 44th overall pick, a 2025 1st round pick and a 2026 2nd round pick to the Patriots for the 3rd overall pick...
That is a hefty price to pay, yet, its the only way to really trade up and get one of those guys... and given our division, perhaps necessary? It has certainly worked out for Houston... and, I think doing something like this sends a strong message to AP's commitment to molding this team into an AFC West contender.
What do you all think?
RI RAIDER » Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am
I would do it in a heartbeat, but unfortunately, the price will be steeper.silver_ghost wrote Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:59 am:If this is the price I will take it.