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  16 to 88 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:23 am

Chiefhater wrote Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:06 pm:Last year we faced too many 3rd and long situations. Whether it be through bad play calling, drops, missed wr or our running backs being tackled behind the LOS. I mean it seemed like Derek had to try and convert too many bad down and distance situations.

Also I think defenses took Derek’s strengths away pretty well and we didn’t have a counter to that. I think I heard of some personnel guys for other teams commenting on how basic our WR routes were. It was just a clusterfuck all around.

Yes, yes it was.

Carr and his buddy was not a good match. It's like renting your house to family, not a good idea. To compound matters his buddy wasn't ready for the big time. Next I would say the running game, perhaps even more so then anything else. When you can't run the ball you become a one dimensional offense. As you noted we were in 2nd and 3rd and longs all season. Talk about a recipe for disaster.

Not to be missed in all this he was playing with a broken back the majority of the season, the drops and perhaps some of the skill positions as well. Gruden apparently didn't think much of Crabtree and Walford and if it weren't for his contract something tells me the dreadful pirate Roberts would have already been made to walk the plank (punS intended).

We also went out and signed Martin which leads me to believe Jon isn't all that hot on Washington and/or Richard. Right there are possibly FIVE skilled position players, two of which are gone and the other three are in serious danger of losing there jobs. An HC who was in over his head, an OC who was in way over his head, no running game, drops galore, injured QB and questionable player personnel. Yeah, I guess you could label that as a clusterfuck. lol...

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  Rainman56 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:13 pm

mad stork 83 wrote Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:35 pm:Carr's decision making left a lot to be desired.

Likely not an impact on the game but the checkdown when a hail mary was called to end the half still has me saying WTF???

Think it showed where Carr mindset was at times last season.

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  mad stork 83 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:12 pm

Radman wrote Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:16 pm:Really hard to say. I still blame coaching. I think they taught him to “be safe” just like in his rookie year. That’s what you get with crap coaches coaching to save their job vs to win.

Maybe. Maybe the league counted Carr's strengths and he couldn't respond. We shall see. It will be a fun season regardless!

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  R8RMick » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:23 am

He needs to improve his pocket presence from last season. He definitely did not look comfortable, and was even gun shy at times. Look at his numbers under pressure. I want to see the kid from 2016. Lack of confidence in a system can do that.

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  Rainman56 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:52 am

R8RMick wrote Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:23 am:He needs to improve his pocket presence from last season. He definitely did not look comfortable, and was even gun shy at times. Look at his numbers under pressure. I want to see the kid from 2016. Lack of confidence in a system can do that.

He simply needs to grow a pair and stop being scared in the pocket.He toughens up and he'll be fine...Has all the athletic qualities but he needs to man up under pressure.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:19 pm

Chiefhater wrote Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:01 am:In 2016 Carr was great under pressure. So I don’t think it’s just a matter of pocket awareness or toughness. I think the injuries did affect his confidence though. He gave up on plays way too early for my liking a lot of the time.

I still maintain the theory that he wasn’t allowed to audible last year. At least not at the level that he was with Musgrave.

An injury like he sustained to his leg can get into one's head. It can be difficult to overcome. I know a lot of MLB players can't play effectively any more after getting hit in the head with a pitch. Psychologically, we tend to change what we do when things like this happen. Regardless of the reason for his regression, hopefully he figures it out and gets back to form.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:21 pm

signal wrote Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:14 am:Yes, I think this is closer to the heart of matter. I don't think it has anything to do with Carr's character or as if he forgot what pocket awareness was about. I agree, I think the back injury impacted him more than we assume and then he was placed in a scheme where he could not thrive. Add to that one of his main weapons, Cooper was going through a similar fate at the same time - dealing with injuries in a scheme that allowed defenders to often sit on his routes.

Carr had several things working against him last year and I am just glad the organization knew it and went out of their way (I00 million dollars out of their way) to make things right for Carr and the rest of the team.

I don't put much into the Cooper injury. As I recall, Carr was playing poorly before the Cooper injury.

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  mad stork 83 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:34 pm

signal wrote Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:25 pm:The main reason for Carr's regression and that of the entire scheme has to do with poor preparation, weak lame ass predictable scheme and weak game planning week in and week out. That said, the injuries did not help.

Could be. It is literally impossible to say for sure. Lots of things changed for Carr. The hit that broke his leg. Change in coaches. Injuries during the season. Hopefully it was the coaching and scheme because that has changed. If it was one of the other things, they can linger regardless of coaching. Either way, it will be an interesting season!