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If he doesn't play this year, is he still under contract next year or do we have to franchise tag him?
What would his trade value be at this point?
Five different players DID win the title and who even knows who they were without looking them up?
Yes, Fab Five are outliers--that's the point. They were instrumental in generating millions of dollars and could not afford to buy a pizza.
I have no problem applauding excellence of athletes regardless of which team they play for. When they are not playing my team and/or have an out-of-conference game, I give a rah to Michigan, the school of some of my close relatives. It's all friendly competition.
Obviously not all colleges are the same....but if you look at Texas....the football team brings in over $100 million a year.....divided by 105 players that is damn near $1m per player in revenue.
Olympic sports are financial black holes.
OK...I dont have enough information...nor do I have the expertise.... to create a defined compensation system for college sports...however...putting a portion of the $ they bring in to the university (less the cost of the scholarship)...into a deferred payment plan for the athletes once they leave school...doesnt seem unreasonable to me.
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No. It is very much on topic. If the fab 5 decided to bag groceries, the NCAA would have still had its tournament, made tons of money. The NBA would have also filled its roster with 4 other players. Chris Weber and company are just cogs in a machine that are easily replaced. Carrknight was correct with this.Atlasffa wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:54 pm:Off topic of previous post. Not at all germane to the discussion.
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I am about as anti-establishment as one gets but this isn't really about the establishment. It is about the great deal that college athletes get and the opportunities that it opens up. And an advanced degree does not make me a man. It simply illustrates who quickly things can change from one generation in America. My father brushed his teeth with salt (and lost all of his teeth by age 25) while, through hard work, he was able to provide an environment where his child got a MA. Going from a 6th grade education to a MA in 1 generation is pretty good. College scholarships offer the same opportunity for "poor" families. It really is an awesome deal for college athletes.Skullz wrote Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:14 pm:Threats to the establishment were always considered ridiculous at first, numbnuts. I hear the story of your grandpa and that's awesome. But the apple fell very far from the tree, If you think advanced degrees is what makes you a man.
Innovation is quite literally what I do, i have so many examples in my daily life that would destroy your world view, and you my 'friend', unless you change your solipsistic ass ways, will always be following the lead of people like me.
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If one doesn't like the rule of waiting a year after graduating high school, he can get a job doing something different than playing basketball. I personally don't like the rule but I am not the NBA commissioner nor do I have a say in the union so my opinion really means nothing.CarrKnight wrote Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:50 am:No, I am saying their degree is adequate compensation.
So would you be a fan of the NBA and NFL waivering their entry requirements to allow recent graduated high school players to join? Because that is the restriction on their liberty to choose. Nobody is forcing the players to enter college. European basketball leagues and the CFL are available.
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If Mack doesn't want to honor his contract, he can sit out. Fuck him.Ismail86 wrote Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:58 am:Sorry, I know this is off topic. But here’s the latest on Mack for those that haven’t seen.
https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2018/0 ... ssion=true
If he doesn't play this year, is he still under contract next year or do we have to franchise tag him?
What would his trade value be at this point?
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Michigan became an iconic brand early in the 1900s because of its football team. (In the olden days, if you wanted to be a football player you went to Michigan. Times have changed.) Michigan was/is not considered a "basketball" school. Fab Five gave the bball program the most visibility ever received.CarrKnight wrote Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:58 am:It is Michigan. They didn't take some nobody school to the promised land. Michigan was an iconic brand before their arrival.
Who knows? Maybe five different players would have done more like win a title.
And even so, the Fab Five are an outliner among college teams and players.
Best part of this debate, I got you (a MSU fan) to stump for Michigan.
Five different players DID win the title and who even knows who they were without looking them up?
Yes, Fab Five are outliers--that's the point. They were instrumental in generating millions of dollars and could not afford to buy a pizza.
I have no problem applauding excellence of athletes regardless of which team they play for. When they are not playing my team and/or have an out-of-conference game, I give a rah to Michigan, the school of some of my close relatives. It's all friendly competition.
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If he sits for the year...I believe his 5th year carries over so he would still have a year left under his rookie contract and then the franchise tag could come into effect.mad stork 83 wrote Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:02 am:If he doesn't play this year, is he still under contract next year or do we have to franchise tag him?
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I agree to a point college athlete's should get stipends of some kind while in school and under scholarship, but times have changed to a degree. Most scholarship athlete's have access to some of the best facilities, nutrition etc. that taxpayer money can buy, but they don't need to be paid. If they are then their scholarships and access to certain amenities should be reduced considerably.Atlasffa wrote Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:01 am:Michigan became an iconic brand early in the 1900s because of its football team. (In the olden days, if you wanted to be a football player you went to Michigan. Times have changed.) Michigan was/is not considered a "basketball" school. Fab Five gave the bball program the most visibility ever received.
Five different players DID win the title and who even knows who they were without looking them up?
Yes, Fab Five are outliers--that's the point. They were instrumental in generating millions of dollars and could not afford to buy a pizza.
I have no problem applauding excellence of athletes regardless of which team they play for. When they are not playing my team and/or have an out-of-conference game, I give a rah to Michigan, the school of some of my close relatives. It's all friendly competition.
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50k a year? I don't think so, when you consider the number of scholarship athlete's to any major University you are talking millions and millions of dollars. They need a stipend or per diem nothing extreme.grosse gurke wrote Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:27 am:They should just set up an account for each player that they can access after they graduate or leave school. Every player gets something like $5k-$50k a year depending on if they are community college or D1. That way they at least get something after they leave school for the work they did to support the university.
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Obviously not all colleges are the same....but if you look at Texas....the football team brings in over $100 million a year.....divided by 105 players that is damn near $1m per player in revenue.
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You just killed college athletics outside of the FBS. And even then some FBS teams just shut down.grosse gurke wrote Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:27 am:They should just set up an account for each player that they can access after they graduate or leave school. Every player gets something like $5k-$50k a year depending on if they are community college or D1. That way they at least get something after they leave school for the work they did to support the university.
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No college wants to pay a volleyball player a nickel. Really, the only sports worth a dime are basketball and football, maybe WBB at select schools and baseball/softball in the South.grosse gurke wrote Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:17 pm:^ Im was just tossing out numbers. However I could see a tiered system where the student athlete is paid not only based on the size of the school, the sport they play, and whether they actually play or not. You would not pay a volleyball player the same as a starting football player. There would need to be some way to pay them based on how much they actually add to the college coffers.
Obviously not all colleges are the same....but if you look at Texas....the football team brings in over $100 million a year.....divided by 105 players that is damn near $1m per player in revenue.
Olympic sports are financial black holes.
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OK...I dont have enough information...nor do I have the expertise.... to create a defined compensation system for college sports...however...putting a portion of the $ they bring in to the university (less the cost of the scholarship)...into a deferred payment plan for the athletes once they leave school...doesnt seem unreasonable to me.
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A system could be figured out. The current system was put in place over a hundred years ago. NCAA (non-profit org) is currently profiting in amounts never dreamed of by the founders. Times have changed. Athletes give more time to the athletic programs and have greater risk of injury due to the higher level of play. Time to figure out how to give them a small piece of the pie.grosse gurke wrote Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:12 pm:LOL....jesus....
OK...I dont have enough information...nor do I have the expertise.... to create a defined compensation system for college sports...however...putting a portion of the $ they bring in to the university (less the cost of the scholarship)...into a deferred payment plan for the athletes once they leave school...doesnt seem unreasonable to me.
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