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Love the unconventional moves. Gruden "Come sit with us, we are going to put you to work".
4 DEs in the first 4 picks followed by Josh Jacobs at 5. I would not worry about the mocks, Mayock is a production guy, and a hell of a lot better at his job than these guys. This mock is utter trash.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ay-to-jags
Bosa injury is the only concern. Love of the game? You must be joking. Play balance? No. I could care less about his stand up ability as he is versatile enough to play inside and out. I dont care if he can cover.
Qyinen Williams experience? Why on earth is that a problem for a D Lineman. QB I understand. This kid has played D line all his lifee Counter moves? He can use his strength and he has an excellent swim move he uses to beat double teams. His hands never quit working.
Josh Allen has the most question marks although rising from a mid first to a top three overall isnt one of them. If you are drafting him to set the edge then that would be a mistake. He can cover well though for an elite pass rusher. Counter moves can be taught.
I love Devin White but he has many concerns. Comes in to high to tackle and will over run plays. Not always balanced. Sruggles with man coverage. Processes slow and lacks some instincts. Causes him to get caught up in traffic at times.
I like Gary, but not in the top 10, got the size and speed but best position is 3tec. Got a lot to learn but could be a really good player that can move around the line.
Ferrell would be the pick in that situation for me. Might not have the ceiling but would give us the edge player we need
1 mock each for Thomas, Oliver, Simmons (pre-injury), Murray, Haskins and Allen
3 mocks for White
4 for QW
7 for Gary
8 for Ferrell
At #4, if the Raiders stay there, Ivan's first projection, subject to change after more info gets posted:
either of
OT Cody Ford Oklahoma
or
TE T J Hockenson Iowa
Thank you. But please don't tell Danny Snyder, because he likes to copy off my paper.
As for Williams one season with great production out of two is a hige concern that is being glossed over
The point that i was making was that people are talking about there being only three elite prospects which is complete bullshit those 3 guys have as many concern which i mentioned as everyone else but there is this bullshit narrative that us picking at 4 is a huge disaster ehich is truly not the case.
I hope Bosa, Allen & Williams are all gone by 4 as there are other talents just as good that would benefit us more i personally would take ahead of them anyway & secondly we’d be in the perfect trade down position
1. Parcells never liked QBs that had under 27 starts in college and would never pick one (pretty sure i read that)
2. He didn’t like QBs that never played in a pro style offense.
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Love the unconventional moves. Gruden "Come sit with us, we are going to put you to work".
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I'd welcome the trade, but the fact that Gary keeps getting mocked to us is starting to concern me. Whether it's a case of there being a sliver of truth to us liking him or not, it screams a Gruden pick to me. Reminiscent of the Kolton Miller pick, athletic dude who hasn't proven shit. But this time in the top 10. God no.RunOverByHubbard wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:28 pm:New mock at CBS Sports has us trading down with the Jags with us getting a quality RB in the deal.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... to-top-10/
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we drafted gary over ferrell, devin white?NoThanksSir wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:03 am:I'd welcome the trade, but the fact that Gary keeps getting mocked to us is starting to concern me. Whether it's a case of there being a sliver of truth to us liking him or not, it screams a Gruden pick to me. Reminiscent of the Kolton Miller pick, athletic dude who hasn't proven shit. But this time in the top 10. God no.
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Not a fan of MJD, but he literally has 5 DEs drafted by pick 8 (Montez Sweat at pick 8??).NoThanksSir wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:03 am:I'd welcome the trade, but the fact that Gary keeps getting mocked to us is starting to concern me. Whether it's a case of there being a sliver of truth to us liking him or not, it screams a Gruden pick to me. Reminiscent of the Kolton Miller pick, athletic dude who hasn't proven shit. But this time in the top 10. God no.
4 DEs in the first 4 picks followed by Josh Jacobs at 5. I would not worry about the mocks, Mayock is a production guy, and a hell of a lot better at his job than these guys. This mock is utter trash.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ay-to-jags
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Dont worry I am not. Those issues are huge reaches.RunDMLee wrote Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:27 pm:Allen went from average production to great production that is a huge question mark before this year he was a mid 1st round pick at best, counter moves & setting the edge
Bosa has question marks about his love of football something i’ve also seen labelled at his brother is he a team player or a me first guy, his play balance, stand up ability & has a very serious core injury that most know very little about.
Quinen Williams has questions marks over his experinece & the one thing that does worry me about him is his lack of counter moves fo such an elite prospect that will fly in college but in the NFL you need to have a flurry of moves to really be an elite guy
All the top prospects have issue dont let the media narrative that apparently there are only three top elite guy fool you, when it looked like we were gonna be sitting at 3 the media was running the narrative that there were only 2 top talent now its 3 all of a sudden,
Bosa injury is the only concern. Love of the game? You must be joking. Play balance? No. I could care less about his stand up ability as he is versatile enough to play inside and out. I dont care if he can cover.
Qyinen Williams experience? Why on earth is that a problem for a D Lineman. QB I understand. This kid has played D line all his lifee Counter moves? He can use his strength and he has an excellent swim move he uses to beat double teams. His hands never quit working.
Josh Allen has the most question marks although rising from a mid first to a top three overall isnt one of them. If you are drafting him to set the edge then that would be a mistake. He can cover well though for an elite pass rusher. Counter moves can be taught.
I love Devin White but he has many concerns. Comes in to high to tackle and will over run plays. Not always balanced. Sruggles with man coverage. Processes slow and lacks some instincts. Causes him to get caught up in traffic at times.
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Love the trade but not the pick.NoThanksSir wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:03 am:I'd welcome the trade, but the fact that Gary keeps getting mocked to us is starting to concern me. Whether it's a case of there being a sliver of truth to us liking him or not, it screams a Gruden pick to me. Reminiscent of the Kolton Miller pick, athletic dude who hasn't proven shit. But this time in the top 10. God no.
I like Gary, but not in the top 10, got the size and speed but best position is 3tec. Got a lot to learn but could be a really good player that can move around the line.
Ferrell would be the pick in that situation for me. Might not have the ceiling but would give us the edge player we need
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Agreed, Fournette and Ferrell would be ideal.WolfRaider wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:51 am:Love the trade but not the pick.
I like Gary, but not in the top 10, got the size and speed but best position is 3tec. Got a lot to learn but could be a really good player that can move around the line.
Ferrell would be the pick in that situation for me. Might not have the ceiling but would give us the edge player we need
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1 mock each for Thomas, Oliver, Simmons (pre-injury), Murray, Haskins and Allen
3 mocks for White
4 for QW
7 for Gary
8 for Ferrell
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It serms like maybe a consensus, or at least a majority, opinion is kind of forming and it's the one you have outlined. I'm with you and do think we get a shot at Allen or QW.Skullboy wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:38 pm:I vastly prefer Ferrell over Gary. I'll take Ferrell's proven production over Gary's potential every time. I'm still not crazy over Ferrell at 4. My hope remains for Josh Allen or Williams to fall to us, if they don't - then a trade down if at all possible, and only then choose Ferrell if no decent takers. Now Ferrell a bit later... that could be sweet.
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At #4, if the Raiders stay there, Ivan's first projection, subject to change after more info gets posted:
either of
OT Cody Ford Oklahoma
or
TE T J Hockenson Iowa
Thank you. But please don't tell Danny Snyder, because he likes to copy off my paper.
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Those issue are concerns whether you want to admit that or nothaji81872 wrote Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:02 am:Dont worry I am not. Those issues are huge reaches.
Bosa injury is the only concern. Love of the game? You must be joking. Play balance? No. I could care less about his stand up ability as he is versatile enough to play inside and out. I dont care if he can cover.
Qyinen Williams experience? Why on earth is that a problem for a D Lineman. QB I understand. This kid has played D line all his lifee Counter moves? He can use his strength and he has an excellent swim move he uses to beat double teams. His hands never quit working.
Josh Allen has the most question marks although rising from a mid first to a top three overall isnt one of them. If you are drafting him to set the edge then that would be a mistake. He can cover well though for an elite pass rusher. Counter moves can be taught.
I love Devin White but he has many concerns. Comes in to high to tackle and will over run plays. Not always balanced. Sruggles with man coverage. Processes slow and lacks some instincts. Causes him to get caught up in traffic at times.
As for Williams one season with great production out of two is a hige concern that is being glossed over
The point that i was making was that people are talking about there being only three elite prospects which is complete bullshit those 3 guys have as many concern which i mentioned as everyone else but there is this bullshit narrative that us picking at 4 is a huge disaster ehich is truly not the case.
I hope Bosa, Allen & Williams are all gone by 4 as there are other talents just as good that would benefit us more i personally would take ahead of them anyway & secondly we’d be in the perfect trade down position
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That would be awesome for us although i would take Oliver over Gary. One thing i see wrong with this tho is that Coughlin is from the Parcells way of thinking when it comes to QBs.RunOverByHubbard wrote Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:28 pm:New mock at CBS Sports has us trading down with the Jags with us getting a quality RB in the deal.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... to-top-10/
1. Parcells never liked QBs that had under 27 starts in college and would never pick one (pretty sure i read that)
2. He didn’t like QBs that never played in a pro style offense.
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