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Rainman56 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:26 am
They're both coming back...CJ cap hit is too big and Carr because Mark is delusional.Raider727 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:20 am:trade Carr and Jones for a 7th round pick, just to get them off the payroll .
HesterLayes » Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:14 pm
We would have to add picks to Jones for someone to even think about it.damn.Rainman56 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:26 am:They're both coming back...CJ cap hit is too big and Carr because Mark is delusional.
RI RAIDER » Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:48 pm
He really is delusional in many ways (not just his man crush or fear to admit a mistake regarding Carr).Rainman56 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:26 am:They're both coming back...CJ cap hit is too big and Carr because Mark is delusional.
mranquales » Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:43 pm
Whether you like him or not, Carr was the QB that got the Raiders to the playoffs twice in the last 20 years. It's understandable, given that, Mark would be loyal to Carr.Raidernation1979 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:08 pm
According to OTC if we cut Jones with a post 6/1 we save a million on next years cap and 12M on 2024. We would still be paying him 18m I’m 2023 but we get 1M back and out of his contract.Attyla wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:36 pm:cap hit to release Jones is too great to absorb and nobody is trading for that contract no matter what we would give in addition.
chucker » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:14 pm
Unless they determine that Jones is completely worthless and not worthy of a roster spot at any price, it's better to hang onto him in 2023 - even if it's just as a depth/situational player. It doesn't actually save us anything overall to cut him - it's just a timing difference. I think of other older players who had snaps reduced and managed to have some productivity later in their careers.Raidernation1979 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:08 pm:According to OTC if we cut Jones with a post 6/1 we save a million on next years cap and 12M on 2024. We would still be paying him 18m I’m 2023 but we get 1M back and out of his contract.
If we trade Carr and Waller and cut Jones our cap space next year jumps to 77M
Raidernation1979 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:24 pm
Well yes we would still have an 18M cap hit for him but we would gain 1M back. So I agree it would just open the door for cutting him if they so desired.chucker wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:14 pm:Unless they determine that Jones is completely worthless and not worthy of a roster spot at any price, it's better to hang onto him in 2023 - even if it's just as a depth/situational player. It doesn't actually save us anything overall to cut him - it's just a timing difference. I think of other older players who had snaps reduced and managed to have some productivity later in their careers.
sdraider85 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:14 pm
Sadly we may need to start a gofundme for another billboard to let Mark know he’s a an idiot and to stay away from the football decisions.Rainman56 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:26 am:They're both coming back...CJ cap hit is too big and Carr because Mark is delusional.
16 to 88 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:36 pm
This is were I'm at.chucker wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:14 pm:Unless they determine that Jones is completely worthless and not worthy of a roster spot at any price, it's better to hang onto him in 2023 - even if it's just as a depth/situational player. It doesn't actually save us anything overall to cut him - it's just a timing difference. I think of other older players who had snaps reduced and managed to have some productivity later in their careers.
Attyla » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:27 am
yea, saving a mil vs keeping him as a rotational player is a no brainer to me. He has been good against the run.16 to 88 wrote Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:36 pm:This is were I'm at.
He can be cut in 2024 for 7.2 hit so why not hold onto him for one more year to have a body come in and out of the line up while we are still getting the defense in shape.
Jeremyturner1976 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Derek Carr NFL records:Raidernation1979 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:00 pm
I think we can add checked down a Hail Mary and then made excuses for it.Jeremyturner1976 wrote Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:53 pm:Derek Carr NFL records:
Cried twice in 4 years of football, about football.
Two 4th and games.
There is no other QB in the league who has done this to my knowledge. Someone call Guiness.