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Attyla » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:05 am
anyone who wants to target a position at our first pick over the best possible option available might want to rethink that concept. We need the best football player we can get even if it is not a position of need. We take way too many "need" guys so if Porter is there and he is the best option, you take Porter. Or whomever the braintrust thinks is tops on the big board at that moment in time. You do not circle "interior DL" and then plug in a lesser talent because it fills in the circle.HesterLayes » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:31 am
Yes.I trust Z is a BPA guy regardless of position.Attyla wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:05 am:anyone who wants to target a position at our first pick over the best possible option available might want to rethink that concept. We need the best football player we can get even if it is not a position of need. We take way too many "need" guys so if Porter is there and he is the best option, you take Porter. Or whomever the braintrust thinks is tops on the big board at that moment in time. You do not circle "interior DL" and then plug in a lesser talent because it fills in the circle.
GUYDON » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:44 am
Bpa.... aaaaand disarmed! (Key and Peele for those who know)SkullCrusher » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:12 am
No QB is going to be worth taking here? If not my hopes is there would be an OLB available worth the #9.Rte66BBQ » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:13 am
Exactly. I can't believe how many people don't understand the BPA process and focus on need.Attyla wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:05 am:anyone who wants to target a position at our first pick over the best possible option available might want to rethink that concept. We need the best football player we can get even if it is not a position of need. We take way too many "need" guys so if Porter is there and he is the best option, you take Porter. Or whomever the braintrust thinks is tops on the big board at that moment in time. You do not circle "interior DL" and then plug in a lesser talent because it fills in the circle.
Ismail86 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:30 am
Could it be because our team has ignored this strategy for decades?Rte66BBQ wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:13 am:Exactly. I can't believe how many people don't understand the BPA process and focus on need.
16 to 88 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:22 am
Yes. It's called being true to your board.Attyla wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:05 am:anyone who wants to target a position at our first pick over the best possible option available might want to rethink that concept. We need the best football player we can get even if it is not a position of need. We take way too many "need" guys so if Porter is there and he is the best option, you take Porter. Or whomever the braintrust thinks is tops on the big board at that moment in time. You do not circle "interior DL" and then plug in a lesser talent because it fills in the circle.
Attyla » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:36 am
Being true to your board and the rankings of the players means exactly that you take the best player. Say that guys a QB and you have say, Patrick Mahomes. That means you are picking at the bottom of the round and a QB at that point is a value pick because you are at the bottom of the round so you are pretty great at most every position. You take the QB then and do one of two things, mentor him up like NE did a couple times as a back up or as a trade option. Let's say you are picking high in the draft like the Jags will. At that point, you trade to a QB hungry team (always someone looking for a top 3 QB) and when you pick comes up after the trade, since you were at the top of the draft, you take BPA no matter what because no matter what the best player available will make your team better. BPA is almost always without exception the right option. Teams that fill out there roster with best player available and are true to the talent of their board are far more likely to sustain success. It is when a team like us takes a kicker because we need a kicker in the first round that hell breaks loose. Nobody in their right mind as a GM in the modern era would take a kicker in the first round, even picking so far down in the first round. But we did because our philosophy has always been either one of two things, speed or need. And it has killed us for literally decades.16 to 88 wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:22 am:Yes. It's called being true to your board.
Unfortunately it doesn't always work this way.
You could already have several players on your team that you don't need the position at which you are now picking. Say you already had a good RB, QB, TE and FS. Now your pick comes up and the guy at that slot is a QB. Well, you aren't going to pick a QB and if you go for the next guy on the board you are committing the very sin here by not taking the best guy on your board at the point.
So you can attempt to trade out and let's say you do make a successful trade because a couple guys you covet you think will fall to you but lo and behold they are now gone and you are back to square one with a RB this time on the board in the position you were hoping to draft that WR at.
Or, scenario #2 you can't make a trade, you don't need a QB the next two guys under the QB are a RB and a TE so now you are no longer being true to your board because you selected a WR. Then to complicate matters teams as you know teams are always jumping in front of other teams with trades as they know your needs and they guy who you were going to select is now off the board when for sure he was going to fall to you.
RunOverByHubbard » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:53 am
Here is CBS Sports prospect ranking for 2023 (top 20)Rte66BBQ » Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:57 am
BPA does not mean you have to be stupid and not recognize that there is a margin of error in scout's grading . Its predominately about the top of the draft where the greatest grading differentials tend to exist. So in other words you take the 7.5 graded guy over the 6.5 graded guy since that grading disparity is well beyond the margin of error. It is not about worrying about a single 0.1 grading differential which would fall within your margin of error. This tends to lead to more players being equal which tends to happen later in the draft but can also happen in the 1st round.RI RAIDER » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:13 pm
BPA is far from an exact science and teams boards are different based on many variables including but not limited to perceptions, needs, and the position itself (some positions are more valuable than others). The draft is a crap shoot (much more in football vs other sports). That being said, I would hope that we would trade down and maximize draft capital if the opportunity presents itself instead of reaching for a position of need early (unlike in previous years). We need to go defense most of the way as we legitimately need at least 4+ new starters. Draft boards I would think (I know nothing more than anyone else) are constantly changing and altered at the blink of an eye. I would hope that if we have a WR rated a spot higher on our board than a DT, that we would take the DT if and when the time came. If we took the WR in this example and exclusively stuck to our board, we would be bigger fools than anyone could imagine. Hopefully Z is up to the challenge. I am nervous as hell because he is on his training wheels.HesterLayes » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:49 pm
I wish I knew how toRunOverByHubbard wrote Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:53 am:Here is CBS Sports prospect ranking for 2023 (top 20)
1. Will Anderson Jr., EDGE, Alabama
2. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
3. C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
4. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
5. Will Levis, QB, Kentucky
6. Peter Skoronski, OT, Northwestern
7. Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State
8. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
9. Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State
10. Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia
11. Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina
12. O'Cyrus Torrence, IOL, Florida
13. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas
14. Kayshon Boutte, WR, LSU
15. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M
16. Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama
17. Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State
18. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State
19. Tyree Wilson, EDGE, Texas Tech
20. Siaki Ika, DL, Baylor
Rte66BBQ » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:03 pm
A teams big board is different than simply a listing of players based on scouting grades. Teams weigh different factors into where they put a player on their big board.Oaktownonly » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:05 pm
What we've been doing for decades hasn't been working. I hope Zeigler goes the opposite way. What could it hurt?Rte66BBQ » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:08 pm
It's pretty dopey to take some tackle because you need a tackle only to have teams picking after you grab edge defenders who can beat the guy you took out of need. That's not the path to building a Superbowl winner.