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live.B.A.raida » Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:16 pm
I compiled some reports on CJ Stroud from multiple sites:A few consensus weaknesses I’d be concerned about is his lack of ability to escape the pocket, throw off script, and happy feet under pressure …. All sounds too familiar however JM’s offense worked with an immobile QB for years (not comparing Stroud to Brady at all other than being immobile).CJ Stroud Scouting Report:
Walter Football:
Strengths:
Accurate passer
Strong arm
Can drive the ball to all levels
Pocket composure
Good decision maker
Ball placement
Throws a very catchable ball
Good timing
Shows anticipation
Quality field vision
Able to loft in touch passes
Natural feel; instinctive passer
Leads receivers for more yardage after the catch
Moves eyes through progressions
Good internal clock
Mastered his offense
Saw success against good competition
Weaknesses:
Not a running threat
Does not make a lot of big plays off script
Not a vocal leader
The draft network:
System:
* Scheme tendencies: Spread
* 2022 projected role: Second-year starting quarterback
Pros: After a shaky start to the 2021 season (his first as a starter), CJ Stroud settled in and led the most dynamic offense in college football. He offers an impressive blend of size, passing game instincts, and mobility to make him a dynamic player. Stroud has good arm strength, although I stop well short of calling it elite. He generally does well to read coverage, identify leverage, and give his targets opportunities to make plays on the football. He is more than willing to identify matchups and test man coverage. He has impressive flashes of accuracy, especially down the field. Stroud is an excellent anticipatory thrower. I really like his approach and how he blends aggressive throws with taking profits when necessary. He takes care of the football and rarely puts it in harm’s way. Stroud has a good feel for the rush and maneuvering within the pocket. He is in full command of the offense and it appears he is involved with setting protections, locking routes, and calling audibles at the line of scrimmage. Stroud has a variety of clubs in his bag and does well to put the appropriate weight on the football—he knows when to dial up the fastball and when to use his off-speed pitches.
Cons: For as dynamic as CJ Stroud is as a passer, he can vastly improve his footwork to become a more consistent thrower. His drops aren’t synced consistently to the routes and there is notable wasted movement at the top of his drops. He is extremely toesy in the pocket with his heels off the ground, which creates challenges with setting his base and leads to irregular throw sequencing, negatively impacting his ball placement. Stroud has a bit of a windup to his throwing motion. That windup combined with wasted motion at the top of his drops needs to become more efficient for him to find greater consistency as a passer. While not necessarily an issue because I appreciate his pass-first mentality and how he protects himself, Stroud can stand to weaponize his legs more.
Nfl draft Buzz
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* Traditional old-school smart, pocket passer at 6-3 and 218 pounds, with smarts and a great, feel for the game- should have no problem transitioning to the NFL
* Very smart signal-caller who is a natural leader with great instincts and the ability to quickly cycle through his reads
* Good zip and excellent ball placement on the quick slant. Elite touch down the seam and on post-corner, flag routes to attack the defense vertically and horizontally.
* Incredibly productive quarterback with elite intangibles - who broke Rose Bowl single-game record with 573 passing yards in a come-from-behind victory over Utah
* Brave QB who isn't phased by pressure, will be willing to take a big hit when passing
* Enough arm strength to drive the ball through tight windows up to 20 yards downfield. Spreads the ball around to multiple receivers.
* Rhythm passer, who gets the ball out quickly, making split-second decisions. Good short to intermediate-level accuracy, demonstrating the ball placement to allow receivers to run after the catch.
* Sprays the ball anywhere on the field, especially when given a pocket from which to deliver. Will step up into the pocket while looking downfield, reset his feet and deliver.
* Athletic - possesses very good vision balance, some elusiveness, and deceptive speed
* Possess an NFL-level arm. Gets the ball from one hash to the opposite sideline in a hurry. Has the zip to hit tight windows on short and intermediate throws.
* Great accuracy overall, including excellent accuracy on short timing routes to backs and receivers, placing the ball slightly in front to lead receivers to potential yardage after the catch.
* Against Georgia in the college semi-final Stroud displayed impressive escapability against a heavy rush
SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES
* Despite having good timed speed and agility for a QB, has often proved surprisingly immobile and unable to escape a heavy rush
* Has played in a very QB-friendly scheme and has been surrounded by NFL-level talent, during both his seasons at Ohio State - he remains mostly untested against serious adversity
* Had a few struggles earlier on in the season - however, this is to be expected at the start of any QBs college career
* Suffered with some inconsistency issues when under a heavy rush, this could become a major issue at the next level where he won't have the benefit behind a top-level line
* Doesn't create much outside the pocket - and as a result, rushers have an easy time without having to be concerned with Stroud escaping
PLAYER COMPARISON
Justin Herbert
PFF:
What he does well: In a clean pocket, Stroud is arguably the best quarterback in the country. If he has time to throw, he’s going to dial in and pick apart a defense. Stroud has excellent vision and sees the field better than almost anybody. He does a great job of finding his open receivers and delivering a strike to any location. It helps that he has the best offensive line and receiving core in college football; however, he still has to make the accurate throw, which he rarely fails to do. He’s big, strong and possesses excellent arm talent, which is exactly what teams are looking for in a professional quarterback. Stroud has been the beneficiary of some phenomenal Ohio State teams, but he is still the one leading the charge and commanding the offense.
What he needs to improve: We just talked about how good Stroud is when kept clean in the pocket (71.7% completion rate, 35 touchdowns, 93.4 PFF grade). Well, he is basically the polar opposite under pressure (41.3% completion rate, six touchdowns, 42.0 PFF grade).
The same could be said for most quarterbacks when facing pressure, but Stroud is particularly bad when the pocket collapses. He ranks 97th in PFF grade out of 144 qualifying QBs when under pressure. This is definitely an area he needs to improve on. Stroud is somewhat of a statue back there in the pocket and rarely ever breaks out to scramble. It’s weird because he was touted as a dual-threat QB when entering college, but he never really used his legs much during his time at Ohio State. He may have to uncork that at the next level, as he is sure to be under pressure far more in the NFL than he ever has been at Ohio State.
The only time we’ve seen Stroud really use his legs was against Georgia because he was under pressure so often. Georgia is the best defense in college, so this could be a good sign of what’s to come from Stroud against NFL defenses next year. Stroud's only other issue was his big-game ability. Before last Saturday, he had mostly underperformed in big games, losing to Michigan twice. However, the 2022-23 College Football Playoff silenced any doubts about that, as it was Stroud’s best game ever on the biggest stage. Yes, it was still just one game, but he really did check all the boxes that NFL scouts will be looking for when analyzing him this spring.
Best NFL traits: Arm talent, vision, high release, accuracy
GoodTimeCharlie » Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:31 pm
After what we’ve been through the last 9½ years, his weaknesses scare the ever-loving-shit out of me. In his defense, doesn’t seem to have any Carr family douchiness.A few consensus weaknesses I’d be concerned about is his lack of ability to escape the pocket, throw off script, and happy feet under pressure …. All sounds too familiar however JM’s offense worked with an immobile QB for years (not comparing Stroud to Brady at all other than being immobile).
Willmark » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:06 pm
For those interested in a more balanced view on Anthony Richardson:DarthRaider » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:10 pm
As intrigued by the possibility of Richardson at #7, I think a more realistic target is Tyree Wilson. Myles Murphy I feel will go ahead of him to the Seahawks. Devon Witherspoon to the Lions makes a ton of sense.Ordos » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:51 pm
Many of the issues on his scouting reports read almost exactly like Malik Willis last year... and I wouldn't pick him with #7 either.Willmark wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:06 pm:For those interested in a more balanced view on Anthony Richardson:
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepo ... ardson.php
The conclusion with the above link? Ceiling is a Cam Newton type of player. If he is a bust? Christian Hackenberg.
The part that jumped out to me is his issues with accuracy. Despite what is being said here… based on this guys reporting?
There also are a lot of flaws to Richardson as a passer. His accuracy is horrible, especially in the short to intermediate part of the field, and he will consistently miss badly on many routine completions. Over my 12 years as a draft analyst, and 15 seasons total working around pro football, Richardson is probably the most inaccurate early-round quarterback prospect who I have ever seen. He has a habit of overthrowing passes or tossing balls too high, which are both problematic for racking up interceptions in the NFL. Richardson also routinely rifles the ball too hard for receivers to control. He has to learn to take something off some of his passes to help create more completions.
Make of this what you will.
Attyla » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:19 pm
his agent will respond once he is available in a day or week or soWillmark wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:06 pm:For those interested in a more balanced view on Anthony Richardson:
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepo ... ardson.php
The conclusion with the above link? Ceiling is a Cam Newton type of player. If he is a bust? Christian Hackenberg.
The part that jumped out to me is his issues with accuracy. Despite what is being said here… based on this guys reporting?
There also are a lot of flaws to Richardson as a passer. His accuracy is horrible, especially in the short to intermediate part of the field, and he will consistently miss badly on many routine completions. Over my 12 years as a draft analyst, and 15 seasons total working around pro football, Richardson is probably the most inaccurate early-round quarterback prospect who I have ever seen. He has a habit of overthrowing passes or tossing balls too high, which are both problematic for racking up interceptions in the NFL. Richardson also routinely rifles the ball too hard for receivers to control. He has to learn to take something off some of his passes to help create more completions.
Make of this what you will.
FLORIDARAYDAH » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:06 pm
I saw most of his games. That's the guy I saw. A few head turning throws but mostly erratic and off target a lotWillmark wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:06 pm:For those interested in a more balanced view on Anthony Richardson:
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepo ... ardson.php
The conclusion with the above link? Ceiling is a Cam Newton type of player. If he is a bust? Christian Hackenberg.
The part that jumped out to me is his issues with accuracy. Despite what is being said here… based on this guys reporting?
There also are a lot of flaws to Richardson as a passer. His accuracy is horrible, especially in the short to intermediate part of the field, and he will consistently miss badly on many routine completions. Over my 12 years as a draft analyst, and 15 seasons total working around pro football, Richardson is probably the most inaccurate early-round quarterback prospect who I have ever seen. He has a habit of overthrowing passes or tossing balls too high, which are both problematic for racking up interceptions in the NFL. Richardson also routinely rifles the ball too hard for receivers to control. He has to learn to take something off some of his passes to help create more completions.
Make of this what you will.
Oaktownonly » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:41 pm
I am not a college guy but I did take a look at the QBs coming out this year because we need one.HesterLayes » Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:51 pm
Here is a list of them.don’t worry about the rankings.that will all change most likelyOaktownonly wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:41 pm:I am not a college guy but I did take a look at the QBs coming out this year because we need one.
But, for you guys that are college football watchers, is next years class better? I did take a look at Bo Nix out of Oregon and he looks pretty good. Who are the others?
I could roll with Stidham if next years crop is better.
GoodTimeCharlie » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:50 pm
Wait what?!?!? So he’s like Camilla Newton now?rich72 wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:50 pm:Cam Newton was pretty damn good before he started his transition.
HesterLayes » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:53 pm
Cam was a stud that took too many hits.He was so big that many of the cheap/late shots he took weren’t called.Shaq effect.rich72 wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:50 pm:Cam Newton was pretty damn good before he started his transition.
haji81872 » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:05 am
First they got Bruce, now they got Cam? Say it ain't so.GoodTimeCharlie wrote Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:50 pm:Wait what?!?!? So he’s like Camilla Newton now?