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Jeevo » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:47 pm
There shouldn't be a battle, Telesco is the GM and it's a GM's decision.Dr Death wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:45 pm:It sounds like AP is willing to give whatever to move up. It sounds like TT isn't amenable. This should be interesting.
Dark Horse » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:59 pm
YUP! Been saying, I don't think Jayden to the Commanders is happening. It's not just because there hasn't been a ton of buzz, it's because of the GMs former expressed low evaluation of him. How does one just get over that? I really think it could be Drake or J.J. And I don't think the Pats are locked into one QB, either. They have no skill players to speak of, so what is a rookie QB gonna do?Jeevo wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:15 pm:You're thinking we'd be in play for pick 3?
Hellbound » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:31 pm
It's like logic goes out the window. After what people say on here about getting/having a franchise qb, they turn around and legitimately say that a team that's already in said position will trade out of that very coveted position. Why would a franchise give up that prime position to get their franchise qb? Because AP said everyone has a price? Doesn't make senseAttyla wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:12 pm:Um, you can get skill positions in other rounds, they are picking high each round
Jeevo » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:53 pm
I still don’t see it, others have more ammo and are just as, or more, desperate. We’ll see in time.Dark Horse wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:59 pm:YUP! Been saying, I don't think Jayden to the Commanders is happening. It's not just because there hasn't been a ton of buzz, it's because of the GMs former expressed low evaluation of him. How does one just get over that? I really think it could be Drake or J.J. And I don't think the Pats are locked into one QB, either. They have no skill players to speak of, so what is a rookie QB gonna do?
Attyla » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:12 pm
Jacoby is a bridge, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Drafting the future for a team with a new head coach is very common and this draft is perfect for the patriots. I do not see them moving unless someone is going to give up a fortune. Is it possible? Sure, but unlikely. I am almost willing to bet they hope Washington takes Daniels.Hellbound wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:31 pm:It's like logic goes out the window. After what people say on here about getting/having a franchise qb, they turn around and legitimately say that a team that's already in said position will trade out of that very coveted position. Why would a franchise give up that prime position to get their franchise qb? Because AP said everyone has a price? Doesn't make sense
rich72 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:34 pm
I wonder how much say so Getsy has over the QB decision. I would assume since AP is a Defensive minded head coach that the OC will have more say so on the offensive side of the ball thank if we had and Offensive minded head coach. Obviously AP is in charge and has the final say but its really not his area of expertise. Maybe this is when Telesco makes the decisions after discussing it with Getsy, but its hard to tell.Dark Horse » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:41 pm
You're talking about whether or not we have a likely chance to move up, which is the second part of the equation. The first part of whether or not Daniels could be available after #2, and I think he could. We can't out bid the Vikings, but they have been linking to both McCarthy and Drake. In fact, Josh McCown coached Drake in high school. The Pats could get two firsts to use this year and another next year and perhaps still get Penix if they are interested, or two need positions. Then Cards then COULD be in play for us, although the Giants and Broncos could then be brought into play.Jeevo wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:53 pm:I still don’t see it, others have more ammo and are just as, or more, desperate. We’ll see in time.
Dark Horse » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:46 pm
Oh wow, another opinion taken personally. Seems like you wait for me to post and cook up a plan to be as obtuse as possible. We get it, you're scared to death to do what it takes to get a franchise QB, but not everyone feels like that. Maybe you really don't want to win, because in that case, what would you have to b◇tch about?Hellbound wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:31 pm:It's like logic goes out the window. After what people say on here about getting/having a franchise qb, they turn around and legitimately say that a team that's already in said position will trade out of that very coveted position. Why would a franchise give up that prime position to get their franchise qb? Because AP said everyone has a price? Doesn't make sense
Dark Horse » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:05 pm
Someone tell him they are picking 3rd for a reason. I wouldn't pick a single unit of the Pats over the Raiders. Yes, it makes a ton of sense for them to trade down unless they are completely married to one QB who's available. I guess I'm not following his scriptBoKnows81 wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:54 pm:He's like a broken record of gibberish. He can't understand the fact that we are MUCH closer to competing than the Patriots and wants to bring up the same tiresome arguments. You're right too, it's like he takes it personal.
Attyla » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:26 pm
your logic is flawed. This is a team that needs a QB as much as we do. Maybe more since their owner is used to championships. The cost to pry that pick from them is going to be proportional to how bad they value the pick to move out of that pick. This is a top heavy QB draft with a top heavy number of teams wanting a QB. The price is not going to even come close to the draft trade chart. You seem to imply they might just want a skill position player. That makes no sense at all. A QB is getting picked at #3. There is no doubt there. If it is not the patriots, it is a team that way overpays to get to 3. The chance it is us is remote at best. The Patriots are not standing pat and taking anything but a QB. PeriodDark Horse wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:05 pm:Someone tell him they are picking 3rd for a reason. I wouldn't pick a single unit of the Pats over the Raiders. Yes, it makes a ton of sense for them to trade down unless they are completely married to one QB who's available. I guess I'm not following his script
Hellbound » Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:42 pm
Yep you guessed it. I sit around all day to wait for you to post. Just because I don't think we trade up doesn't mean I don't want the team to win or get a qb. It's simply going to cost wat too much to get into the top 3 and in turn, produce the opposite results of taking advantage of a rookie contract for a qb. This team still has holes and lacks quality depth across the roster. This isn't Madden where you can turn the injuries, fatigue and suspensions off. We need those picks for cheap depth. You just can't go sign whatever free agents you wantDark Horse wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:46 pm:Oh wow, another opinion taken personally. Seems like you wait for me to post and cook up a plan to be as obtuse as possible. We get it, you're scared to death to do what it takes to get a franchise QB, but not everyone feels like that. Maybe you really don't want to win, because in that case, what would you have to b◇tch about?
AngryRaidersFan » Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:38 pm
I don't understand this take that the offensive line is in shambles. ITS FINE! As far as cb it's not hard to add a decent veteran cb before training camp and or in the middle of the regular season. We did that last year and it turned out fine. Trade the picks. Get Daniels or Maye. I don't really care whichHellbound wrote Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:42 pm:Yep you guessed it. I sit around all day to wait for you to post. Just because I don't think we trade up doesn't mean I don't want the team to win or get a qb. It's simply going to cost wat too much to get into the top 3 and in turn, produce the opposite results of taking advantage of a rookie contract for a qb. This team still has holes and lacks quality depth across the roster. This isn't Madden where you can turn the injuries, fatigue and suspensions off. We need those picks for cheap depth. You just can't go sign whatever free agents you want
No Im not scared to trade up at all. However the top 3 teams also need/want a franchise qb. Why are those teams going to move out of that position to do so? Sure if you give a massive overpay. Then that puts you in the position I just described. So no, in reality it doesn't make sense for this current team to do so. If this team had any semblance of an oline, sure that would be a bit more of a possibility. If this team had anothrr starting caliber cb it would be more of a possibility
I don't take shit personally, you just become argumentative when someone doesn't agree with your line of thinking