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16 to 88 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:28 pm
And it's more likely than not that even if we draft a quarterback that he isn't going to beat out O'Connell or Minshew. Getsy was hired at the beginning of February. Minshew was signed a week after. Figure within a month both Minshew and O'Connell had the playbook in their hands and had already met with Getsy? Guessing. Both have been through NFL training camps, both have played in games, both are used to the speed of the game and an NFL playbook. Right now the presumed quarterback we maybe drafting is still waiting for his name to be called.DanKD wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 8:36 pm:Specific to next season only, I'd take Minshew and AOC over the Bears, Commanders, Pats and Vikes QB rooms whoever they take at QB. Rookie QB's usually do not play very well.
Im willing to guess most everyone who is saying we have to do whatever it takes to get a QB will also declare any QB we take a bust when he doesnt look like CJ Stroud half way through the season.
16 to 88 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:36 pm
First thing that came to my mind.Attyla wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:37 pm:Or scripted by his agent?
Raider727 » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:17 pm
I don't think the Raiders will be a 4 win team if the Raiders don't add one either, but the point is that the Raiders need to seek their franchise QB if they're ever going to compete with Mahomes.chucker wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:30 pm:I don't think our QB situation is a tank setup at all. Both guys did fine last year, and both can win games. Neither guy is going to put a team on his shoulders like you'd want your QB to be able to do. I'd call our QB situation somewhere in the 15-20 range in the league, with neither guy moving the needle but it's not Zach Wilson either.
Count me among those who want us to draft a QB, but I don't think we're going to revert to a 4 win team if we don't add one.
16 to 88 » Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:03 am
I see you have watched that video and I'm not sure if you recall or to just reiterate I'll post it below again. To me, it should be required viewing from the 4:05 mark to the 17:00 minute mark where they discuss how it affects a player in regards to the team you are drafted on and the differences between college and pros. Regarding Penix specifically, although they bring up Penix a couple of times the eye opening moment is at the 11:02 to the 11:44 mark.JTRaider wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:58 pm:I just don't see how a QB needy team like the Broncos could pass on Penix Jr. I think we have to jump past them and hope the Vikings are thinking Drake Maye.
I did like that O'Sullivan said he missed some plays down field for some contrast (When processing speed is key), but he has all of the measurables. I think he could grow into one hell of a QB in the right system. "Explosive arm talent" is something I have read often.
As Chucker said, there is definitely a lot of buzz on Penix, lots of fans think their team might end up with him and the other two are rarely discussed.
* Not a huge fan of Nix from the little I have seen. I think he might slide down the boards.
Dark Horse » Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:10 am
They are referencing the Washington offense and how it wouldn't work in the NFL.16 to 88 wrote Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:03 am:I see you have watched that video and I'm not sure if you recall or to just reiterate I'll post it below again. To me, it should be required viewing from the 4:05 mark to the 17:00 minute mark where they discuss how it affects a player in regards to the team you are drafted on and the differences between college and pros. Regarding Penix specifically, although they bring up Penix a couple of times the eye opening moment is at the 11:02 to the 11:44 mark.
Very interesting indeed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qICs_ZGLfrA&t=1022s
Attyla » Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:00 am
Yup, never going to conclusively say one way or the other, but that does have agent written all over it, and if so, good for him. The job of the agent is to paint his client in the most positive way. And if it was the agent, great job by Penix in utilizing the service to a max. If it was all Penix, good for him as well, marketing yourself favorably at a time when your money has to be a priority is job one. In either case, well done.16 to 88 wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:36 pm:First thing that came to my mind.
For each position he slides there goes a lot of money. With that said even if it was his agent/AI it was still a very good thing to say. In the end though it's nothing but words and all that really matters is can he be a good NFL quarterback and will he put in the work to do so.
signal » Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:33 am
While I mostly agree with your assessment, I believe that the present QB room holds more potential than I think you do. That said, the word 'potential' is a scary one in professional sports.chucker wrote Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:30 pm:I don't think our QB situation is a tank setup at all. Both guys did fine last year, and both can win games. Neither guy is going to put a team on his shoulders like you'd want your QB to be able to do. I'd call our QB situation somewhere in the 15-20 range in the league, with neither guy moving the needle but it's not Zach Wilson either.
Count me among those who want us to draft a QB, but I don't think we're going to revert to a 4 win team if we don't add one.
Nor_Cal_Raider » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:06 am
If the Raider do draft a qb, here's the perfect scenario:Raider727 » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:35 am
I like O’Connell and Minshew as QB's who can win games for the Raiders but I'm not confident at all that they will take the Raiders to the promised land and that's all I care about.signal wrote Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:33 am:While I mostly agree with your assessment, I believe that the present QB room holds more potential than I think you do. That said, the word 'potential' is a scary one in professional sports.
Either way, the Raiders are compelled to deal with that word. While others appear far more certain about things, I am not so sure as to which way to lean and it is because we are dealing with potential and less actual evidence.
When looking at QBs in the draft, we are all talking potential. The Raiders may hit or they miss. The player they pick may develop into something special or he may not. Will Penix develop into that QB who can compete with the likes of Mahommes? Who knows. But at the end of the day, we are only speaking of that dreaded word, potential.
And I would suggest that the picture is not much clearer when looking at AO4. I guess people can look at his rookie season and dismiss him but I do think he (like Wilson) appears to have a good chance of playing much better in his 2nd year. He had to deal with an assortment of disadvantages in his initial year. So, in my mind, when I look at AO4, I am looking at a QB who has potential to be a much better QB, how much better, I don't know. But yes, again that ugly word, potential.
I guess the equation comes down to this: is it better to go with a top ten talent blue chip player in the draft (because I do think one will drop to #13) and go with AO4's potential or is it better to not pick that blue chip player and pick Penix? Will Penix be that much better than AO4? While I am sure I am in a small minority, I will say this, I have no fucking idea.
Why? Because we are all talking in terms of potential and the evidence we do have is not conclusive by any means. Just my opinion, of course.
RickRyb » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:50 am
It seems a lot of people believe the only way to beat Mahomes is to have a QB that is close to his talents. I'm of the belief to beat ANY team you need a top defense and an offense that is good enough to put points up. The Raiders don't need the next Mahomes. They just need a team that is better than Kansas City.16 to 88 » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:53 am
It appears to me you are missing the point of what he is saying. Who runs the Washington offense and is the quarterback for it? Penix. He doesn't play in a vacuum. Out of all the quarterbacks considered at this point to be the best in the draft (Williams, Daniels etc.) he specifically pointed out Penix and Washington.Dark Horse wrote Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:10 am:They are referencing the Washington offense and how it wouldn't work in the NFL.
RI RAIDER » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:56 am
Signal, great post. Our QB room is superior than last years. AO is going to experience some growth. How much is anyones guess. GM is not getting any credit for his abilities but one thing is clear. He is better than Garopablow. I remember we signed a journeyman scrub back in the day. Most fans were pissing and moaning about his signing. I am not saying GM is going to be another Gannon (I know its sacrilegious to talk negatively about him), but I am happy to have him in the fold. Who knows how GM performs with a change of scenery.Raider727 » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:01 am
Of course you need a good defense and the Raiders are already building that with the signing of Wilkins but you also need a QB who can put the team on his back and carry the team in clutch moments.RickRyb wrote Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:50 am:It seems a lot of people believe the only way to beat Mahomes is to have a QB that is close to his talents. I'm of the belief to beat ANY team you need a top defense and an offense that is good enough to put points up. The Raiders don't need the next Mahomes. They just need a team that is better than Kansas City.
16 to 88 » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:02 am
But you are confident that the supposed rookie we may draft who has never taken a snap in the NFL will?Raider727 wrote Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:35 am:I like O’Connell and Minshew as QB's who can win games for the Raiders but I'm not confident at all that they will take the Raiders to the promised land and that's all I care about.