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RunOverByHubbard » Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:35 am
I can see that. We will know in a couple of years, but QB grade inflation could be at work here.rich72 wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:54 am:JJ McCarthy seems like another Zack Wilson.
Hellbound » Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:00 am
Not to mention his leadership traits that Harbaugh & players talked about. Plus JJ played very well from his start. He wasn't a one year wonderDark Horse wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:57 am:Why would you say that? Look at the competition they faced respectively.
ALLRAIDERWORLD21 » Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:07 am
Sounds like JD is trying to pull an Eli..
Attyla » Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:34 am
I am not going to pretend to know what the QB class is going to produce. We could have one of the great classes where 7 and even more turn out to be great, or we could have one where the same numbers bust out. There is just no way to predict this. Even in the greatest QB draft classes, you will have a Todd Blackledge who gets picked high and a Richard Dent who someone finds in a late round. Even our own Townsend fell in that draft to the 7th round. Gems are out there high in the draft, no doubt, but the hidden gems will be there too who some lucky team gets, like our own Crosby. We have no history with our GM but he has proven to get some good players in his time with the Chargers. Until he is proven otherwise, I will trust his call.DanKD » Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:47 am
The difference is Daniels just put up the best quarterbacking season in college football playing for a prime time program. He has sone risk, but i think he earned his draft grade. Mccarthy on the other hand is mostly on speculation on what he maybe could do instead of what he showed.CWood24 wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:07 am:You could say that about both him & Daniels are neither were considered 1st round talent when the college season ended they were day 2 picks
chucker » Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:05 am
We all want clarity, so strong opinions are great. But ultimately each option has a range of outcomes and I'd hope that anyone presenting options is willing to recognize that.Dr Death » Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:10 pm
I will support whatever TT/AP decides is best. They are more in tune with everything than we are. I want the next Brady as much as any of you do. I would /will be happy as f*** with the next Snake. As I've said before.... I'm just a fan. It isn't my money being spent. I will always be a fan no matter what. I'm hoping for a great draft... beyond QB.raiderboyron » Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:14 pm
The question is: More best or more worst? I have a feeling more will be disappointed than not.Attyla wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 10:23 am:Draft brings out the best and worst around here every year. I suspect this will be no exception.
raiders93 » Sat Apr 20, 2024 3:02 pm
The other part is that we know how the media views certain prospects… but how do the teams at the top view them? Patriots for example. If they love Maye or Daniels they’re not listening to offers. But if they don’t love them as much as the media does - the trade offers certainly become tempting.chucker wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:05 am:We all want clarity, so strong opinions are great. But ultimately each option has a range of outcomes and I'd hope that anyone presenting options is willing to recognize that.
Even the range of options is nebulous to us as fans because we don't even know the cost of trading up, or the spoils of trading down. The team has a better idea, but even they don't know for sure what's available in that respect because other teams can make better offers between now and draft day to change the formula.
Given what I expect is a prohibitive cost for trading up to the top 3, I prefer the option of drafting Penix at 13, or potentially jumping ahead of the Broncos to be sure Nix isn't our only option at 13. Daniel Jeremiah recently point out, as have a number of others, that trading way up to the top of the draft for a QB with a team that also needs a QB doesn't generally work because if that team is willing to trade out then it's probably a flawed QB.
The one thing that could potentially help us is if Daniels is unhappy with the idea of playing for Washington and is letting them know about it and scaring them off. He obviously isn't going to try to force his way down to 13 to play for AP, but it's certainly possible that he'd shake up the top 4 QBs somewhat which could lead to a less prohibitive trade scenario.
I don't remember a more seemingly volatile draft in the final week.
ALLRAIDERWORLD21 » Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:00 pm
Among the positions that you kind find gems up and down the draft, tackle is the one position where only first and 2nd rounders are the most effective starters and why they are always picked high in the draft. The one issue with trading up to get Daniels is it most likely takes this years 1st and 2nd and of course the next one or two years firsts. We can try and trade for a tackle in the next few years or sign one in FA however this year we would be hard pressed to find an elite or potentially elite starter after round two this year. Expect Daniels to be running for his life next season if we trade for him and don’t solve the whole at RT.Attyla wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:34 am:I am not going to pretend to know what the QB class is going to produce. We could have one of the great classes where 7 and even more turn out to be great, or we could have one where the same numbers bust out. There is just no way to predict this. Even in the greatest QB draft classes, you will have a Todd Blackledge who gets picked high and a Richard Dent who someone finds in a late round. Even our own Townsend fell in that draft to the 7th round. Gems are out there high in the draft, no doubt, but the hidden gems will be there too who some lucky team gets, like our own Crosby. We have no history with our GM but he has proven to get some good players in his time with the Chargers. Until he is proven otherwise, I will trust his call.
As for comparing QBs in this draft to other players? If you are doing so based on film and you see things on the field, who they play is not relevant. What decisions does the QB make in the moment, how are his mechanics, how is his accuracy? These are the questions that allow you to compare them to others. Who they play does not matter if you are watching them on the field. Final score also does not matter, although I like drafting winners. If a top rated QB had a bad team around him, the final score might result in a loss. But how did the QB play is the question and that is what the talent evaluators will judge the prospect based on, if they know their stuff. It is why I do like Daniels and Penix. Both played well when it mattered, their final seasons, but both also have improved their game and look to have high ceilings. It is also why I have softened my view of Nix, not a bad QB but not designed to play the style of football I prefer. It is also why I do not like Rattler. He showed very little improvement in his game.
I am never going to claim to know more than the scouts, and that is because scouting is their job. They can put in 2080 hours a year watching players where I can put in about one tenth that amount, simply because I don't have the time for more. And if you are a working man, let's not kid ourselves. You are not putting in 2080 hours watching film either.
16 to 88 » Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:30 pm
Yes, and another thing that makes it tough on scouts, GM's and coaches in there evaluations that is not mentioned a lot is the football field itself. While the pro and college field is that same size the hashmarks are in completely different locations. In college they are 40 feet apart and in the pros they are 18. They spot the ball in two entirely different locations on the field. In the pros because of where they spot the ball it's a much tighter game with balanced formations and in college it's all about the space and taking advantage of that space with spread formations. It's why spread system players translate sometimes so poorly to the NFL.Attyla wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:34 am:I am not going to pretend to know what the QB class is going to produce. We could have one of the great classes where 7 and even more turn out to be great, or we could have one where the same numbers bust out. There is just no way to predict this. Even in the greatest QB draft classes, you will have a Todd Blackledge who gets picked high and a Richard Dent who someone finds in a late round. Even our own Townsend fell in that draft to the 7th round. Gems are out there high in the draft, no doubt, but the hidden gems will be there too who some lucky team gets, like our own Crosby. We have no history with our GM but he has proven to get some good players in his time with the Chargers. Until he is proven otherwise, I will trust his call.
As for comparing QBs in this draft to other players? If you are doing so based on film and you see things on the field, who they play is not relevant. What decisions does the QB make in the moment, how are his mechanics, how is his accuracy? These are the questions that allow you to compare them to others. Who they play does not matter if you are watching them on the field. Final score also does not matter, although I like drafting winners. If a top rated QB had a bad team around him, the final score might result in a loss. But how did the QB play is the question and that is what the talent evaluators will judge the prospect based on, if they know their stuff. It is why I do like Daniels and Penix. Both played well when it mattered, their final seasons, but both also have improved their game and look to have high ceilings. It is also why I have softened my view of Nix, not a bad QB but not designed to play the style of football I prefer. It is also why I do not like Rattler. He showed very little improvement in his game.
I am never going to claim to know more than the scouts, and that is because scouting is their job. They can put in 2080 hours a year watching players where I can put in about one tenth that amount, simply because I don't have the time for more. And if you are a working man, let's not kid ourselves. You are not putting in 2080 hours watching film either.
Dark Horse » Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:23 am
Agreed totally with everything you said with some exception to the value of lining up under C. Yes, you need to be able to do it and drop effectively, but it isn't nearly as important as it has been in prior decades do to how much NFL QBs also play from the shotgun.16 to 88 wrote Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:30 pm:Yes, and another thing that makes it tough on scouts, GM's and coaches in there evaluations that is not mentioned a lot is the football field itself. While the pro and college field is that same size the hashmarks are in completely different locations. In college they are 40 feet apart and in the pros they are 18. They spot the ball in two entirely different locations on the field. In the pros because of where they spot the ball it's a much tighter game with balanced formations and in college it's all about the space and taking advantage of that space with spread formations. It's why spread system players translate sometimes so poorly to the NFL.
Much different strategy when you are attempting to exploit that space in the college game than in the NFL because that exaggerated space doesn't exist. And because of that you have to create that space in the NFL by aligning and moving players. That's where the X's and O's guys come into play as they have to come up with the concepts, formations and designed plays to make it all work. That is why being able to pass from the pocket is first and foremost. To exploit both sides you have your quarterback drop straight back and play from the pocket. Every NFL offense is built around this. Yes, having mobility is a bonus but not a prerequisite when it comes to being an NFL quarterback.
Much more important if a guy can line up under center, read a defense pre-snap, play action fake to hold the defense and keep them off balance, then slide around in the pocket to create space. You want to be throwing from the center of the field as much as you can. All of this must be difficult for scouts, GM's and coaches to evaluate because what they do in college they don't do in the pros. Of course being able to recognize mismatches, going through your progressions quickly, throwing with accuracy, rhythm, timing and anticipation are all very important. No wonder why Telesco has pointed out time and again that he (paraphrasing) "want's a guy who has the dedication to work hard Monday through Saturday in season and continues to do so in the offseason and we will figure out the rest."
WolfRaider » Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:32 am
Okay Grudencrowbar wrote Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:39 am:Drafting best player available?
Don't think so this year.
You draft for need.